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Re: George Clooney and Stacy Keibler will co-star with Rande Gerber and Cindy Crawford in a new short film for Casamigos
Sillygirl you said what I was thinking. And you werent snarky. I feel exactly the same. Was feeling guilty because we finally got new pics and he just didn't look like himself. As u said,, he looks tired and sad. And while I wouldn't go as far as Phys to suggest he's an alcoholic, I do think over drinking is catching up with him physically. But I do wonder if that back injury isn't causing some of his weariness. Pain is exhausting.
As far as the video and their pre-PR, someone fucked up big time. Bad idea if true and if its just a ploy to get attention, seems like the wrong kind of attention.
As far as the video and their pre-PR, someone fucked up big time. Bad idea if true and if its just a ploy to get attention, seems like the wrong kind of attention.
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hmmmm saw the whole thing!
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Just saw video on Insider. Funny, George in bed with Cindy, Cindy in bed with Stacy, Randy in bed with George. Never saw Stacy in bed with George, or Randy with Cindy. All due to irresponsible drinking.
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Sillygirl you said what I was thinking. And you werent snarky. I feel exactly the same. Was feeling guilty because we finally got new pics and he just didn't look like himself. As u said,, he looks tired and sad. And while I wouldn't go as far as Phys to suggest he's an alcoholic, I do think over drinking is catching up with him physically. But I do wonder if that back injury isn't causing some of his weariness. Pain is exhausting.
As far as the video and their pre-PR, someone fucked up big time. Bad idea if true and if its just a ploy to get attention, seems like the wrong kind of attention.
As far as the video and their pre-PR, someone fucked up big time. Bad idea if true and if its just a ploy to get attention, seems like the wrong kind of attention.
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Well what's done is done. They probably were toasted after a night of sucking down the tequila when they came up with this idea and actually thought this was a good idea (and that it would be funny). I think it's funny nor a good idea.
I wish though, that he had just done it for the money and not tried to "legitimize the idea" by tying it to his Darfur satellite.
I guess he figures "it's for a good cause so anything we do is a good idea." But you know, there are times when some ideas just aren't worth tying to his humaniarian efforts.
My admiration for George (and his efforts in / for Darfur) has gone down a notch, especially since there are tons of other companies with which he could align himself with advertising to raise money for the satellite project.
I wish though, that he had just done it for the money and not tried to "legitimize the idea" by tying it to his Darfur satellite.
I guess he figures "it's for a good cause so anything we do is a good idea." But you know, there are times when some ideas just aren't worth tying to his humaniarian efforts.
My admiration for George (and his efforts in / for Darfur) has gone down a notch, especially since there are tons of other companies with which he could align himself with advertising to raise money for the satellite project.
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guess you are right
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As Julia Roberts said in Pretty Woman
" Big mistake.Big "
" Big mistake.Big "
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I just saw the video on TV it is cute and funny and George is going to use his money for The Satellite project. It was presented very nicely on "omg" CBS
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I just posted on the other thread that the video was on "omg" on CBS. It was funny and cute done in good taste.
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With all the storys out there of Cindy chooseing Georges girls...well I guess its true...glad he needed the whole world to know...every time he does something stupid he says he is doing it for humanitarian efforts...over it!!! Stay sober yourself George....
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I'm sure Hollywood thinks its funny and I guess that is what matters in his drunk ass mind...then Avon not everyone in Hollywood is kissing his Ass..
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Again...my phone has a mind od its.own..maybe its.trying to tell me he will be selling Avon soon...
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sorry but he lost my respect..... I'm outta here... byeeeeeeeee
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Not funny at all..George has fallen to a new low...
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It's posted. I can't embed.
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I don't think it is as funny as the bank commercial.
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I don't think it is as funny as the bank commercial.
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Not as bad as I would have thought and more like a long commercial, still I think it seemed like a good idea to them after a bottle of tequila. Seems like they are a bit full of themselves.
Final comment, Cindy needs to lay off the botox! Wow.
Not as bad as I would have thought and more like a long commercial, still I think it seemed like a good idea to them after a bottle of tequila. Seems like they are a bit full of themselves.
Final comment, Cindy needs to lay off the botox! Wow.
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Agree!! Waz up with him?????
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Here's the video. Thanks for posting Madsky - IMO the whole idea is in very bad taste.
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I think it would have made more sence to say if u drink to much u make short skits like this...
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And I can say without a doubt what tequila I won't be buying...
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The first time I tried to watch, I made it nine seconds.
The second time, I lasted 24. I might be most offended by the '70s porn theme music. Or maybe the terrible acting/direction (who opens the door to their own bedroom and looks inside before entering?). No, actually, I'm most disgusted by the "what's funnier than two men in bed together?" conclusion. Thanks for that joke from 1950, Mr. Gay Rights. And are we to glean from this ad that they all share the same villa in Cabo? That's...odd, to put it nicely. I just don't know who thought the "accidentally cheating on your spouse/significant other" theme was SO FUNNY that it should be the promo for this brand. I guess the same brain that thought cracking a very public joke about a man suffering from Alzheimer's was a good idea.
As watching and Katie have already said better than I can, I find it increasingly distasteful that any activity he engages in that could appear craven or greedy is immediately described as "for charity". I don't remember the development project in Vegas ever having the word "charity" attached to it; it happened before he was involved in Sudan. Now that his involvement there is so well known, it's an easy way of passing the buck. I mean, we don't really know where the money goes, do we?
Like others here, I've sometimes had trouble reconciling the humble, funny, self-deprecating George I read about in interviews and articles with the George who continued to do ads for Nespresso with the full knowledge of their business practices, the George who has no problem publicly dressing down a journalist who dares to question him about the public life he flaunts to sell his films, the George who exclusively dates women to whom I will charitably refer as "unchallenging". And after writing that list out, I'm not a hundred percent sure what I'm doing here. This might really be what ends my affection for George Clooney.
For those of you who really think this is all okay, is there anything George could do that would turn you off him? This sounds sarcastic, I know, but I really don't mean it that way. This whole thing just seems so below him, or at least below who I thought he was, and like something he would have made fun of someone else for doing earlier in his career. I mean, if he kicks a puppy or pushes an old lady down the stairs, we're all on board with that not being okay, right?
Although in fairness, the puppy started it (okay, that was sarcastic).
The second time, I lasted 24. I might be most offended by the '70s porn theme music. Or maybe the terrible acting/direction (who opens the door to their own bedroom and looks inside before entering?). No, actually, I'm most disgusted by the "what's funnier than two men in bed together?" conclusion. Thanks for that joke from 1950, Mr. Gay Rights. And are we to glean from this ad that they all share the same villa in Cabo? That's...odd, to put it nicely. I just don't know who thought the "accidentally cheating on your spouse/significant other" theme was SO FUNNY that it should be the promo for this brand. I guess the same brain that thought cracking a very public joke about a man suffering from Alzheimer's was a good idea.
As watching and Katie have already said better than I can, I find it increasingly distasteful that any activity he engages in that could appear craven or greedy is immediately described as "for charity". I don't remember the development project in Vegas ever having the word "charity" attached to it; it happened before he was involved in Sudan. Now that his involvement there is so well known, it's an easy way of passing the buck. I mean, we don't really know where the money goes, do we?
Like others here, I've sometimes had trouble reconciling the humble, funny, self-deprecating George I read about in interviews and articles with the George who continued to do ads for Nespresso with the full knowledge of their business practices, the George who has no problem publicly dressing down a journalist who dares to question him about the public life he flaunts to sell his films, the George who exclusively dates women to whom I will charitably refer as "unchallenging". And after writing that list out, I'm not a hundred percent sure what I'm doing here. This might really be what ends my affection for George Clooney.
For those of you who really think this is all okay, is there anything George could do that would turn you off him? This sounds sarcastic, I know, but I really don't mean it that way. This whole thing just seems so below him, or at least below who I thought he was, and like something he would have made fun of someone else for doing earlier in his career. I mean, if he kicks a puppy or pushes an old lady down the stairs, we're all on board with that not being okay, right?
Although in fairness, the puppy started it (okay, that was sarcastic).
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Anyone else think its funny that Stacy doesn't even get one line of dialogue in George's uber stupid short movie. That might be the best gift he gave her-not having to speak in it.
Missa, you almost made be choke on my tequila, no I mean wine, you are right 70's porn music and the puppy started it.
Seriously, it does belittle his cred. several notches IMO. Not sure what would have possessed him to do this. Sorry some things are just not a good idea no matter where they money goes.
Missa, you almost made be choke on my tequila, no I mean wine, you are right 70's porn music and the puppy started it.
Seriously, it does belittle his cred. several notches IMO. Not sure what would have possessed him to do this. Sorry some things are just not a good idea no matter where they money goes.
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Missa you hit it right on!!!!! George should just stick to ironing his balls and keep his mouth shut!!!
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Its hilarious - its George Clooney thumbing his nose at all the people who speculate endlessly about his private life. He's just trying to be funny and at the same time give people something else to speculate. Do agree with one poster who suggested that selling alcohol to raise money for humanitarian efforts is a bit off, another project would have been more palatable.
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Best in Category wrote:phys major wrote:Before I sign out and go to the beach..I just want to say, and I have said this on another site..I Truly believe that Stacy Kiebler has been the worst thing that has ever happened to that man!!!
Don´t be so melodramatic! No permanent damage has been done.
My mother was an actress it's how I work!!!!!
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theminis wrote:Its hilarious - its George Clooney thumbing his nose at all the people who speculate endlessly about his private life. He's just trying to be funny and at the same time give people something else to speculate. Do agree with one poster who suggested that selling alcohol to raise money for humanitarian efforts is a bit off, another project would have been more palatable.
I agree. I think it's pretty funny. "George's humor."
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I think it's pretty funny. "George's humor."
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I thought it was cute but did not get the whole connection between drinking tequila and sleeping with someone......I KNOW they showed the tequila but the connection was very loose. Stacy actually looked nice in the video. Oh I must be ill.
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FuturoST wrote:I think it's pretty funny. "George's humor."
hahahahahaha
it's so funny cheating on your spouse
hahahahahaha
NOT!!!
( no disrespect to those who may like it, unlike the lack of respect for Cloony now )
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I would like to see this video. it does not seem like george would do this kind of swiinging but having a few shots of tequila can just about make you go crazy and do wild things. bg
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Re: George Clooney and Stacy Keibler will co-star with Rande Gerber and Cindy Crawford in a new short film for Casamigos
This is their website for their tequila,
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the video is on there. It is cute and funny nothing vulgar or sleazy about it.
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the video is on there. It is cute and funny nothing vulgar or sleazy about it.
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Here's an update from the oh-so-annoying oh-mah-gawd-rilly OMG Insider team:
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Either the website is not constructed properly or its just me, but everytime I click on any part of contents, I have to re-enter my dob each and every time - the remember me icon not working yet I guess?
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Ok, so I've watched it a few times. It's not so bad.
It's George's humour which is a tad juvenile and for me it's a little cringeworthy because he's trying to make fun of an image that he doesn't really have any more but opens up the doors to the gay/swinging rumours. Maybe that's what he wanted, who knows?
IMO their biggest mistake was to claim it's "loosely based on a true story". That's just weird to admit in public that you've all slept together by mistake. While they do their best to suggest it was only sleeping that's happened (check out fully dressed Rande on top of the covers in his skit with George!) the reactions of the people 'finding' them tell another story. It doesn't really hang together.
Anyway, I don't find it particularly sophisticated or funny but it's not bad. Not sure how the whole drink responsibly/it could happen theme fits into this but if a bottle of Casamigos means I get to wake up in George Clooney's bed in his villa then put me down for a case or two!
Stealing this from someone else: it would have been MUCH funnier if he'd ended up in the doghouse with Einstein.
It's George's humour which is a tad juvenile and for me it's a little cringeworthy because he's trying to make fun of an image that he doesn't really have any more but opens up the doors to the gay/swinging rumours. Maybe that's what he wanted, who knows?
IMO their biggest mistake was to claim it's "loosely based on a true story". That's just weird to admit in public that you've all slept together by mistake. While they do their best to suggest it was only sleeping that's happened (check out fully dressed Rande on top of the covers in his skit with George!) the reactions of the people 'finding' them tell another story. It doesn't really hang together.
Anyway, I don't find it particularly sophisticated or funny but it's not bad. Not sure how the whole drink responsibly/it could happen theme fits into this but if a bottle of Casamigos means I get to wake up in George Clooney's bed in his villa then put me down for a case or two!
Stealing this from someone else: it would have been MUCH funnier if he'd ended up in the doghouse with Einstein.
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Director of this skit must be proud
What a cast!
it´s what it is
beauty of acting
skills
and theme
is like pandora´s box
everything gets new meanings
I´m impressed
How can a minute feel so long? And contain so much?
What a cast!
it´s what it is
beauty of acting
skills
and theme
is like pandora´s box
everything gets new meanings
I´m impressed
How can a minute feel so long? And contain so much?
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Your right it isn't terrible but it isn't as funny as the bank ad or the Modern Family skit, IMO . Apparently he wrote this---which goes to the point I made that he doesn't seem to do anything original. Oh and I agree with you it is creepy that they said it is "loosely based on a rue story"....makes you wonder.....
I still don't get the tagline....
the Einstein bit would have been funnier too....
I still don't get the tagline....
the Einstein bit would have been funnier too....
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pandora´s box?
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I registered just so I could get this off my chest.
He's really testing my patience. What's all this about? I never like Rande btw.
I've been a fan of George since 1995. I've read a lot of things and I've come to term and accepted certain matters....I told myself as long as I enjoyed his works nothing else shouldnt matter. But for some reason this teiquila business doesnt sit well with me.
Arrrghhh...I hate to say I'm disappointed.
He's really testing my patience. What's all this about? I never like Rande btw.
I've been a fan of George since 1995. I've read a lot of things and I've come to term and accepted certain matters....I told myself as long as I enjoyed his works nothing else shouldnt matter. But for some reason this teiquila business doesnt sit well with me.
Arrrghhh...I hate to say I'm disappointed.
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it seems a bit lame and cringeworthy to me and I think he will get negative feedback on it.
Like Rande would just turn and walk away if his wife was in bed with his BF?
Like George would leave if he walked in on two hot women in bed together? That will hurt him in the male demographic. Every straight bloke who sees that will call him out on not pulling up a chair to watch?
I really don't see this has been a great ad to garner attention for the product and it doesn't re-enforce the name of the brand to put it in consumer's mind as something to try. Really not feeling it.
Like Rande would just turn and walk away if his wife was in bed with his BF?
Like George would leave if he walked in on two hot women in bed together? That will hurt him in the male demographic. Every straight bloke who sees that will call him out on not pulling up a chair to watch?
I really don't see this has been a great ad to garner attention for the product and it doesn't re-enforce the name of the brand to put it in consumer's mind as something to try. Really not feeling it.
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Oh come on fans this is GTC, he's just mixing it up, stirring the pot, giving the fans and all the speculation something to comment about. Does anyone believe George needs a bad influence , Rande, or whoever, do you really believe after all these years he still has the hots for Cindy Fuck-ng Crawford? Come on this is a man that all claim can't stay with any women for 2 years. But now all of a sudden he is selling booze and women swapping with RG? If George & Cindy got together if happen years ago, and George didn't need much help to make it happen. Hey maybe they are just friends.
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Yes, the phrase "Pandora's box" means to perform an action that may seem small or innocuous, but that turns out to have severe and far-reaching consequences.
How should we understand “the message” if there´s any?
a) when you drink too much, unwanted things can happen like ending up in the same bed with friends wife/husband, exploring your bi/gay/lesbian side?
b) when you drink too much wanted things can happen to you too! = you end up in bed with… (look above)
c) if you only drink beer none of this happens to you – you just eventually get fat!
D) ?
How should we understand “the message” if there´s any?
a) when you drink too much, unwanted things can happen like ending up in the same bed with friends wife/husband, exploring your bi/gay/lesbian side?
b) when you drink too much wanted things can happen to you too! = you end up in bed with… (look above)
c) if you only drink beer none of this happens to you – you just eventually get fat!
D) ?
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Think they have been friends long enough to have a good laugh about all the BS. or been there done that.
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Re: George Clooney and Stacy Keibler will co-star with Rande Gerber and Cindy Crawford in a new short film for Casamigos
Sure Lucy. But they should have kept this homevideo to themselves
and laugh at the inside joke together - if it´s so funny.
and laugh at the inside joke together - if it´s so funny.
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Re: George Clooney and Stacy Keibler will co-star with Rande Gerber and Cindy Crawford in a new short film for Casamigos
Imo Everyone is taking this way to serious. But I have a weird sense of humor now a days.
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Re: George Clooney and Stacy Keibler will co-star with Rande Gerber and Cindy Crawford in a new short film for Casamigos
No, I think you're right lucy. This isn't meant as such a serious thing.
Plus, I don't think we're his target audience anyway. Looking at how many posters seem to think that alcohol is just plain bad (in a blanket way) and that there's an age limit to enjoy drinking, if that's representative of his fans then he needs to look elsewhere for sales.
Plus, I don't think we're his target audience anyway. Looking at how many posters seem to think that alcohol is just plain bad (in a blanket way) and that there's an age limit to enjoy drinking, if that's representative of his fans then he needs to look elsewhere for sales.
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Re: George Clooney and Stacy Keibler will co-star with Rande Gerber and Cindy Crawford in a new short film for Casamigos
Too true. Years of Clooney observation lead me to conclude the man is perfectly capable of finding his own way into trouble when the mood takes him!lucy wrote: Does anyone believe George needs a bad influence , Rande, or whoever,
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Re: George Clooney and Stacy Keibler will co-star with Rande Gerber and Cindy Crawford in a new short film for Casamigos
A Bad Boy All on his own.
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Re: George Clooney and Stacy Keibler will co-star with Rande Gerber and Cindy Crawford in a new short film for Casamigos
Think his target range is more open minded. Hope so.
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Re: George Clooney and Stacy Keibler will co-star with Rande Gerber and Cindy Crawford in a new short film for Casamigos
I thought they were pretty funny! Especially the one with George and Randy in bed together! The point of the commercials is responsible drinking. "Interesting" things can happen when you "over indulge"!
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