The whole George Clooney and his girlfriends discussion

watching wrote:

party animal - not! wrote:Doesn't she/His Nibs/they drive/have a Lexus/Lexuses?

(that doesn't look right. What's the plural of Lexus?

She drives a Lexus but then she has done "appearance" work for Audi in the last year and attended their Superbowl party. I really don't think she cares who she gets paid by as long as she gets paid and gets some pictures taken. There doesn't seem to be a pattern of brand loyalty for her. She seems to be happy to turn up for whoever if paying her appearance fee and footing the bill of getting her there and home.



Breakdown for those who have doubts (this is what I quickly found since G came on the scene. Can't be bothered to search for them all. Haven't included things like fashions shows, jewellery range launches and book parties):

LA Gyms - Tracey Anderson, Equinox
Vegas - The Bank nightclub at the Bellagio, Hyde nightclub at the Bellagio, Andreas restaurant situated in the Wynn casino, Simon G Jewelry Summer Soiree And Kickoff For Carnevale Nights at the Palazzo Las Vegas Hotel And Casino,
Cars - Audi Superbowl party, Audi Beverly Hills dealership opening, Lexus Car Show now
Store openings - Escada, JC Penny, QVC
Mixology - tequila cocktail competition at Mixology101 and Planet Dailies, Appleton Estate Reserve Remixology Bartender Challenge Finals
Charities - The Art of Elysium’s Holiday Art Kits,Valspar Love Your Color Guarantee Project, Stand up to Cancer telethon, John Frieda hair care, Revlon run, Relay for life, Mon Cherie Barbara Day" Charity event in Munich, TOMS' One Day Without Shoes campaign, Rent the runway,
Video games - Dikembe Mutombo's "4.5 Weeks To Save the World" Old Spice, Wii U preview, “Your Shape Fitness Evolved” Rage video game, Call of Duty XP.

Here's my question - what do all of these paid appearances do for her? From what I can see, no one is offering her any film, television or modeling work. So in the end it's just a way to make some cash. I sure hope she's socking it away and not spending it on thousand dollar handbags or shoes cause when the ride is over with George, she'll be back struggling to remain relevant and to make a buck.

Gosh, these gals really aren't smart. If they're going to date George and know that it will eventually end, then they should see about starting their own business - whatever that might be - so that they have income after he's gone.

The fact that none of them has made any great strides in film, television etc. (except maybe for Lisa) and the fact that the internet has a wealth of info of the fate of his exes, you'd think one of them would say, "Hey George, I know it's over, but why don't you help me set up my own biz cause you and I both know I won't get any significant work in the industry after you're gone...."

But have they done this? Nope. Stupid is as stupid does.

I just had a thought, and on most days, including today, that takes alot out of me. I'm not for or against any of George's "lady friends" (oh dear, I really said that out loud?), however, they ALL were making a good enough income prior to becoming the g/f of... that they could dress fairly appropriately to see and be seen and be present at a variety of events that got the attention of George, either first-hand or through his friends. Even though they weren't in our radar (as I have blinders on most of the time as far as George is concerned), they each had some kind of profile. Lisa was modeling, Krista was on film, Sarah was waitressing, Elisabetta was in Italian TV/movies and Stacy has numerous credits. They were/are all living on their own and supposedly paying their bills and could afford to be at the right place at the right time to be "seen". We've referred to them being "nothing" after George, but I do believe they are all still working supporting themselves. That's not a bad thing - isn't that what most all of us do? Sure, they haven't become Meryl Streep or Sandra Bullock in the entertainment field, but those two and many others became "it" without the help of George, or any other man that I'm aware of. Even though I think that all his g/f of... hope to become something that they're currently not, just because they date George, they all do end up surviving and still can pay their bills. I don't feel bad for them and I don't think they'll end up on Skid Row.

Good points Mel.
I'd imagine that being a lady friend of George is a really good experience and one which they won't regret or forget when they get into their dotage !
Just imagine sharing a dinner table in the Retirement Home with
one of them and listening to their reminiscences

hahahaha!! Thanks Joanna, I just got a picture in my head of 100-yr-old George at the Retirement Home sitting in his wheelchair grinning from ear-to-ear surrounded by all the 80-yr-old blue haired young ladies swooning over him...

She did get the supermarket gig -- we will see how that goes and if it lasts more than one season (or if they keep her for more than one season). I would think she likes the cash and is an optimist about getting other work, but I would imagine it is very competitive--lot of other former models, athletes and reality stars with modest or no talent out there!

Oh yes Mel....Promises, Promises !
Trust you to take it to the Final Frontier
Your imagination never ceases to amaze and intrigue me.

See you all there then ?

I think you're right, Fava. I think the competition for all these jobs must be huge, and very much down to your agent..

I seem to remember SK saying when someone asked whether Jenna Dewan was going to go back to working, and the reply was 'Not sure. It's a tough old world out there' (paraphrasing)

Wouldn't surprise me to see pix of the two of them in London very soon. The baby must be imminent

Yes, these gals were all working and paying the bills prior to George - good point.

I guess my point was that after having international attention with George it must be a shock to go back to being just a regular person where your every move is not followed.

And for many of these gals in particular that sudden lack of attention that goes with dating George IMO would make it more difficult to find jobs in the industry after George.

Given that, I just wondered why they wouldn't hedge their bets and set themselves up in some sort of business that would bring them income even if they weren't able to get work in the industry?

LornaDoone wrote:Yes, these gals were all working and paying the bills prior to George - good point.

I guess my point was that after having international attention with George it must be a shock to go back to being just a regular person where your every move is not followed.

And for many of these gals in particular that sudden lack of attention that goes with dating George IMO would make it more difficult to find jobs in the industry after George.

Given that, I just wondered why they wouldn't hedge their bets and set themselves up in some sort of business that would bring them income even if they weren't able to get work in the industry?

Except Celine and Sarah all other gf George were already famous and worked in the entertainment world even before him in their country with their fame George has become the world but I do not think any of them will need him to work in the future or to pay the bills!

lelacorb wrote:

LornaDoone wrote:Yes, these gals were all working and paying the bills prior to George - good point.

I guess my point was that after having international attention with George it must be a shock to go back to being just a regular person where your every move is not followed.

And for many of these gals in particular that sudden lack of attention that goes with dating George IMO would make it more difficult to find jobs in the industry after George.

Given that, I just wondered why they wouldn't hedge their bets and set themselves up in some sort of business that would bring them income even if they weren't able to get work in the industry?

Except Celine and Sarah all other gf George were already famous and worked in the entertainment world even before him in their country with their fame George has become the world but I do not think any of them will need him to work in the future or to pay the bills!

I have to disagree in some respects. I had never heard of Lisa Snowdon before she dated George and Eli was not even a blip on anyone's radar over here before she hooked up with George. Krista also unknown to me before George.

Stacy was somewhat well known but again, I'd never heard of her - she wasn't a mainstream star or actress and since I don't follow the world of WWE I never knew she did that until she was brought into the world-wide spotlight with George.


The point I'm making I guess I'm not making clear. All of the gals were working yes, but with George they all lived a life that they had never made on their own. Tell me Eli and Stacy were flying on private jets based on THEIR own work prior to George. I don't think so.

And here in the US - now that she's not dating George and except for blogs like this - nobody gives a thought to Eli because she wasn't a star in her own right HERE before George. The only reason IMO that she got the work that she did in the US was because of her association with George.

I believe in some respects, their time with George could be a negative because they'll always have the asterisk next to their name.

I still think that they should hedge their bets and have something other than just acting and or modeling to fall back on because the looks will eventually fade and unless they're saving money they could end up in worse shape than before George.

Dating George may be nice while it's happening but I really believe there are also negative consequences once they stop dating him and have to go back to just making it based on their own "talents."

Lorna....I'd be gobsmacked if Stacy's accountant isn't advising
her just that....if only in his own interest !

Joanna wrote:Lorna....I'd be gobsmacked if Stacy's accountant isn't advising
her just that....if only in his own interest !

HA! Didn't think about that. And does she have an agent too? I forgot about all the people that rely on the celeb for their income too!

LornaDoone wrote:

lelacorb wrote:

LornaDoone wrote:Yes, these gals were all working and paying the bills prior to George - good point.

I guess my point was that after having international attention with George it must be a shock to go back to being just a regular person where your every move is not followed.

And for many of these gals in particular that sudden lack of attention that goes with dating George IMO would make it more difficult to find jobs in the industry after George.

Given that, I just wondered why they wouldn't hedge their bets and set themselves up in some sort of business that would bring them income even if they weren't able to get work in the industry?

Except Celine and Sarah all other gf George were already famous and worked in the entertainment world even before him in their country with their fame George has become the world but I do not think any of them will need him to work in the future or to pay the bills!

I have to disagree in some respects. I had never heard of Lisa Snowdon before she dated George and Eli was not even a blip on anyone's radar over here before she hooked up with George. Krista also unknown to me before George.

Stacy was somewhat well known but again, I'd never heard of her - she wasn't a mainstream star or actress and since I don't follow the world of WWE I never knew she did that until she was brought into the world-wide spotlight with George.


The point I'm making I guess I'm not making clear. All of the gals were working yes, but with George they all lived a life that they had never made on their own. Tell me Eli and Stacy were flying on private jets based on THEIR own work prior to George. I don't think so.

And here in the US - now that she's not dating George and except for blogs like this - nobody gives a thought to Eli because she wasn't a star in her own right HERE before George. The only reason IMO that she got the work that she did in the US was because of her association with George.

I believe in some respects, their time with George could be a negative because they'll always have the asterisk next to their name.

I still think that they should hedge their bets and have something other than just acting and or modeling to fall back on because the looks will eventually fade and unless they're saving money they could end up in worse shape than before George.

Dating George may be nice while it's happening but I really believe there are also negative consequences once they stop dating him and have to go back to just making it based on their own "talents."

Well they are all pretty young--late 20s and early 30s--maybe not the age when you think about your long term future in a practical sense instead of "making" it in show business. They all do OK, albeit on a C or D list level. It seems to me that dating George has the opposite effect --instead of pursuing something with more longevity they seem determined to make that relationship give them the career boost that they need to make it to the next level. Unfortunately, it just makes them a novelty act (look! a woman who dated Clooney); it does not make them instantly talented.
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LornaDoone wrote:

lelacorb wrote:

LornaDoone wrote:Yes, these gals were all working and paying the bills prior to George - good point.

I guess my point was that after having international attention with George it must be a shock to go back to being just a regular person where your every move is not followed.

And for many of these gals in particular that sudden lack of attention that goes with dating George IMO would make it more difficult to find jobs in the industry after George.

Given that, I just wondered why they wouldn't hedge their bets and set themselves up in some sort of business that would bring them income even if they weren't able to get work in the industry?

Except Celine and Sarah all other gf George were already famous and worked in the entertainment world even before him in their country with their fame George has become the world but I do not think any of them will need him to work in the future or to pay the bills!

I have to disagree in some respects. I had never heard of Lisa Snowdon before she dated George and Eli was not even a blip on anyone's radar over here before she hooked up with George. Krista also unknown to me before George.

Stacy was somewhat well known but again, I'd never heard of her - she wasn't a mainstream star or actress and since I don't follow the world of WWE I never knew she did that until she was brought into the world-wide spotlight with George.


The point I'm making I guess I'm not making clear. All of the gals were working yes, but with George they all lived a life that they had never made on their own. Tell me Eli and Stacy were flying on private jets based on THEIR own work prior to George. I don't think so.

And here in the US - now that she's not dating George and except for blogs like this - nobody gives a thought to Eli because she wasn't a star in her own right HERE before George. The only reason IMO that she got the work that she did in the US was because of her association with George.

I believe in some respects, their time with George could be a negative because they'll always have the asterisk next to their name.

I still think that they should hedge their bets and have something other than just acting and or modeling to fall back on because the looks will eventually fade and unless they're saving money they could end up in worse shape than before George.

Dating George may be nice while it's happening but I really believe there are also negative consequences once they stop dating him and have to go back to just making it based on their own "talents."

Lorna but the fact that Ely and Lisa were not popular in the USA does not mean that they're not famous in their countries and I assure you that being famous in England or Italy and work in television means for them to earn a lot of money and afford to live well without need help from George. I did not know Stacy but I believe that many Americans wrestling fans knew who he was even before I met George! Flying on a private jet is not essential to living well enough the first class or business for convenient travel! I'm sure in their working life and Lisa Ely, George has recorded very little because they continue to work (Ely I would say a lot) even if they are no longer with him!

Stacy got the hosting gig - and lots of international exposure.
Betty got Cavalli, Leverage and PETA - and lots of international exposure.
Sarah got Christian Audiger and Harper's Bazaar - and lots of international exposure.

They might have been paying the bills before and after he was on the scene but I doubt any of them would have gotten those jobs without the G connection. Have any of them truly managed to continue the level of interest in them when they were dating him - nope. None of them has retained the level of exposure and worked at the same level post G. Sarah is never heard from. Betty works predominantly in Italy with the occasional PETA gig (which seems to be more a friends association with the bonus of some PR rather than an actual job) and some European work which seems to be modelling and personality only - no acting. DWTS did not launch her in the States the way she hoped - although she may have been blackballed by G considering how unhappy is suppose to be of her trading so blatantly on his name. Stacy will remain the same as she is now - this is her pinnacle. Dating G got her a leg up and a possible bought hosting gig (like Betty's leverage) but she doesn't have the ability, talent or skills to get any higher on the entertainment food chain. Once the guarantee of press coverage goes away post G, she will keep up with the "appearance" work but it will slow down - much like the other women. You think Lifetime and Weinstein would have considered an ex wrestler for the host of a foodie new show who has no experience or background in food or nutrition, if she wasn't banging Clooney and they could trade on the association not to mention Weinstein is working with G at the moment?

fava wrote:Well they are all pretty young--late 20s and early 30s--maybe not the age when you think about your long term future in a practical sense instead of "making" it in show business. .

I think that is a bit of a cop out. Many if not, most women in their late 20's and early 30's have their lives sorted out and/or they have a plan for their future. They have college degrees, work long hours in jobs they won on merit, talent and hard work. They aren't out flashing T&A and their job descriptions don't depend on their physical attributes. They have kids, husbands, partners, girlfriends, normal everyday responsibilities. They own houses, happily rent, travel, fall in love, plan for retirement, care for elderly parents, volunteer, etc. I think dumping all 20 /30 somethings into the bucket of not thinking about their future is just incorrect. I would think the women that G gets involved with are the exception to the normal 20 / 30 something, not the standard.

Most women in the world don't have the luxury of trading on their looks for "employment" or landing themselves a sugar daddy to cover their expenses. Most women aren't willing to be kept. They would prefer to earn their own way and offer something of value to society other than just thinking that they are the hottest thing ever.

Well put, watching.

Well I guess I am going to represent the 3% of Women who in their 20/30's that did not have life sorted out, actually still trying to do that as I live it. You may think and plan all you want but sometimes life can throw a loop in it and take you in a direction you never planned.

watching wrote:

fava wrote:Well they are all pretty young--late 20s and early 30s--maybe not the age when you think about your long term future in a practical sense instead of "making" it in show business. .

I think that is a bit of a cop out. Many if not, most women in their late 20's and early 30's have their lives sorted out and/or they have a plan for their future. They have college degrees, work long hours in jobs they won on merit, talent and hard work. They aren't out flashing T&A and their job descriptions don't depend on their physical attributes. They have kids, husbands, partners, girlfriends, normal everyday responsibilities. They own houses, happily rent, travel, fall in love, plan for retirement, care for elderly parents, volunteer, etc. I think dumping all 20 /30 somethings into the bucket of not thinking about their future is just incorrect. I would think the women that G gets involved with are the exception to the normal 20 / 30 something, not the standard.

Most women in the world don't have the luxury of trading on their looks for "employment" or landing themselves a sugar daddy to cover their expenses. Most women aren't willing to be kept. They would prefer to earn their own way and offer something of value to society other than just thinking that they are the hottest thing ever.

I agree with you about most women and that the ones George gets involved with are the exception. However for these women, who have always traded on their looks and have no other discernable talent and want to make it in show business, desperation may set in. It might still be possible to make it in your early 30s, but once you hit late 30s I think the dream has got to die.

I live in N.Y. Last night I was watching the (gulp) Hallmark channel. They have localized commercials. Who should pop up on one urging the adoption of homeless animals in the area- SK. Must say I was most surprised. I thought EK was the animal advocate.

I'm not sure exactly what we're debating here.

The women George has dated have mostly had relatively successful lives before they met him - the exception being Sarah Larson I guess - even if it was only on the d-list or b-list level.

They've all had a huge boost in exposure and earnings while dating him.

They've all gone back to doing what they were doing before they met him once they broke up. The exception to this would be Lisa Snowdon who has a successful career hosting the most popular breakfast radio show in London for many years now. I say it's arguable that she wouldn't have got that job, along with all the TV shows she's hosted if she hadn't dated George but she's the one making it work now, not trading on anyone else's name.

Life in the entertainment industry is very different from other areas of work. It's largely looks-dependent and talent plays a lesser role. If you want to succeed in films or TV, being pretty and knowing the right people can be all that you need.

I also think we need to get over this idea that if a person isn't an a-list superstar in 20 countries then they're some kind of failure. If you're in the entertainment industry and working at all, then you're ahead of the game.

Katiedot the debate started I believe when I commented that at the very least, these gals who date George who know there is an expiration date on the relationship should get something out of it at the end, my example being some sort of business that they can hopefully make and keep viable even after the looks fade.

And I understand that having had a career in other countries pre-George and being able to pay their bills is nothing to sneeze at, but I still stand by my comments that these gals were not able to get the international attention that they got (and in some cases the acting jobs/gigs that they've gotten) had it not been for their association with George.

As watching said, none has had the level of attention since George and the same will hold true for Stacey once she and George are done.

So I just thought the smart thing to do would be to get something viable out of it -- that they could make something out of -- to make sure they're taken care of once the international spotlight is off them.

I don't see much, if any, real coverage of Eli here in the US since she stopped dating George. By real I mean mainstream media - not blogs and forums like this.

Sarah has disappeared NO ONE is looking for her or covering what she does and perhaps that's how she wants to keep it.

Krista - who knows what she's doing. I see her occasionally pop up in one of Tom Sellack's tv movies but I don't see her getting much work. Again, maybe that's her choice I really don't know.

Lisa was successful in England and is still working in the business. But we NEVER hear about her internationally. When is the last time she was noted in the Italian newspapers? She may be doing well in England but she doesn't have international status.

I'm just saying - these gals are put in an international spotlight when they date George and to some it might be very heady stuff and difficult to let go of once it's over.

Nothing wrong with hedging your bets is all I'm saying -- but it seems to tick others off so I'll stop making the comment.

(Watching - good points in your posts).

Lorna please don't stop posting and Watching you've been saying exactly what I would say had I been posting. The two of you rock. So please Lorna, don't stop girlfriend!

Actually Lorna, OofOof and Watching your posts make sense and i agree with you .

I would say, if Stacy were reading here at times, that she should pay attention to some of these ideas, for her own benefit. Plan some solid business while you have the attention to make it a popular thing. Not just snacks or "how to"s. Maybe even a restaurant of your own. But I think I would do it at the home state where it stands a big chance of being very popular. At least in a restaurant, you could possibly do chains later. I wouldn't use your name or Gs. But something that becomes associated with you as a person. And you'd have opportunities galore to try out healthy ideas that others might find healthy too.

It would not be attached to show business and that stigma, so could possibly provide a great support system later. Take a look around, if you decide on this type of idea and note what makes them so popular, the ones that are. Is it the chefs? Is it the food? Or is it the way its run? Prolly a good mix of all three.

Ahem...just thought I'd throw up an idea anyway. maybe She can come up with something of her own...

Lorna, I don't see anyone getting 'ticked off' at your comments.

The only thing I wouldn't agree with (and maybe I've not understood properly) is your suggestion that his girlfriends should get something out of it at the end. For me that's a little too commercial and paid-for. It kind of sounds like they should be rewarded in some way for dating George. I think dating him should be its own reward.

I think his girlfriends should work their backsides off and make the most of every opportunity dating him gives them but not that something should be handed to them on a plate.

That's how I think about life in general: if you get an opportunity, you should take it. I don't join the ranks of posters who moan and bewail the fact that Stacy has got job offers and personal appearances on the back of dating George; I don't see why she shouldn't make hay while the sun shines.

Whether we like it or not, she's temporarily famous and therefore people are interested in working with her; she'd be a fool not to say yes to any offers she's getting now.

As soon as she and George break up, she'll drop down to b-list and then c-list (a step up from where she was before she dated George IMO) unless she can pull off something really spectacular to make her name in her own right.

Katiedot wrote:Lorna, I don't see anyone getting 'ticked off' at your comments.

The only thing I wouldn't agree with (and maybe I've not understood properly) is your suggestion that his girlfriends should get something out of it at the end. For me that's a little too commercial and paid-for. It kind of sounds like they should be rewarded in some way for dating George. I think dating him should be its own reward.

I think his girlfriends should work their backsides off and make the most of every opportunity dating him gives them but not that something should be handed to them on a plate.

That's how I think about life in general: if you get an opportunity, you should take it. I don't join the ranks of posters who moan and bewail the fact that Stacy has got job offers and personal appearances on the back of dating George; I don't see why she shouldn't make hay while the sun shines.

Whether we like it or not, she's temporarily famous and therefore people are interested in working with her; she'd be a fool not to say yes to any offers she's getting now.

As soon as she and George break up, she'll drop down to b-list and then c-list (a step up from where she was before she dated George IMO) unless she can pull off something really spectacular to make her name in her own right.

But that's my whole point. She was b or c list before George and now she's being sought out for work because of her association with George. When they are over as you say, she'll drop back down.

I don't see anything wrong with someone realizing that the opportunities are going to dry up once she stops dating George and why not try to get something that may be a longer term viable income producing venture. And why not get George to help. The aftermath of dating George usually comes with some residual attention but then I believe it's almost a hindrance to getting any opportunity on your own.

I liked JoannieJD's idea that Stacey go for a healthy type of restaurant. She's always tweeting about healthy eating, why not take that route as a back up if the career doesn't pan out? And why not have George fund it? It's not like he's not funding other business ventures.

Just saying there are negatives that go with dating George and a smart gal might realize that the career they were going for might not pan out and they should hedge their bets.

Im with you Lorna - hedging your bets is a good thing, especially in their particular line of work - you would be mad to try and rely on income from acting/modelling etc to tide you over if you are not an A-lister - other options in the pipeline, the smartest thing to do.

First, I don't think she was even a C Lister before George. She was a solid D most likely. Unless you were interested in wrestling and happened to watch the DWTS season she appeared, you wouldn't know who she was.

When this relationship ends, she will drop down to D List or below. Look at how little PR she's had during the time that George has been out of the country. He's her meal ticket, plain and simple. He's been all of "his girls" meal tickets. I feel sorry for them in that they will always be known as George Clooney's former Girlfriend, no matter what they do in life, but they had to know what they were getting into.

Lorna, I think she has a plan for after George. And I will sound really snarky for saying this so let me say I don't mean to. She will find herself a hedge fund billionaire or wealthy investor or a famous former athlete, get married and have babies. She's perfect for a Donald Trump type. She's said many times, before George, she wanted to be a stay at home Mom. She can have luxury, party and have her cake and not even eat it too!

As far as her opening a restaurant because she's interested in nutrition. Meh! She gets her meals delivered. She parrots others as far as suggesting what people should eat. And, based on what she eats...no thanks! If anything, maybe she should consider opening an exercise studio and hire some of her trainers.

As far as most of the "girls" ending up better off, I wonder. Lisa seems to be the only one who's really moved up somewhat in the world although one could argue that being a radio host, no matter how popular the program, is not the end all, be all for someone wanting to be in the public eye. But even Lisa, in all those articles posted here, sounds a little sad or even bitter about her time with George. She mentions several times getting tired of being known as his former girlfriend.

Sarah seems to be the saddest of them all. She's back serving George like guys champagne at a high end club in New York and she didn't want to talk to the reporter of that story.

I guess it just doesn't seem worth it but then I'm not in the business and, you're right Katie, Stacy and Ely both got or are now getting jobs they wouldn't have gotten had they not dated George, and more power to them.

As Lorna suggests, however, I hope Stacy's saving up because when the split comes, that's going to dry up. She just doesn't have that special thing--that zing that makes someone like Julia Roberts a star. And, with all the makeup, stylists, hair folks, PR people, agents etc., she's got to be shelling out the bucks!

Sorry for the long rant. Back on bad meds. Make me very chatty!

OofOof wrote:First, I don't think she was even a C Lister before George. She was a solid D most likely.

Yes, my thoughts too. She'll end up c-list which is still higher than where she was to begin with.

Just a point on the business venture of "owning a restaurant" idea...most restaurants fail in the first year of operation. Unless you have a head for business, restaurateur isn't a business for the "brainless" who are used to being pampered by living with an A list celebrity and looking for a cushy exit strategy....it's actually hard work to own a restaurant.

I have a relative who has more money than sense it seems, he has started and closed 3 restaurants in the last decade - think finally he has given up and onto a new career. His business was successful in the sense that he never made a loss, but Im gathering it wasn't as lucrative as he thought - also the constant turnaround in staff was becoming a headache. You do really need to know what you are doing to make a successful go of it.

OofOof wrote:First, I don't think she was even a C Lister before George. She was a solid D most likely. Unless you were interested in wrestling and happened to watch the DWTS season she appeared, you wouldn't know who she was.

When this relationship ends, she will drop down to D List or below. Look at how little PR she's had during the time that George has been out of the country. He's her meal ticket, plain and simple. He's been all of "his girls" meal tickets. I feel sorry for them in that they will always be known as George Clooney's former Girlfriend, no matter what they do in life, but they had to know what they were getting into.

Lorna, I think she has a plan for after George. And I will sound really snarky for saying this so let me say I don't mean to. She will find herself a hedge fund billionaire or wealthy investor or a famous former athlete, get married and have babies. She's perfect for a Donald Trump type. She's said many times, before George, she wanted to be a stay at home Mom. She can have luxury, party and have her cake and not even eat it too!

As far as her opening a restaurant because she's interested in nutrition. Meh! She gets her meals delivered. She parrots others as far as suggesting what people should eat. And, based on what she eats...no thanks! If anything, maybe she should consider opening an exercise studio and hire some of her trainers.

As far as most of the "girls" ending up better off, I wonder. Lisa seems to be the only one who's really moved up somewhat in the world although one could argue that being a radio host, no matter how popular the program, is not the end all, be all for someone wanting to be in the public eye. But even Lisa, in all those articles posted here, sounds a little sad or even bitter about her time with George. She mentions several times getting tired of being known as his former girlfriend.

Sarah seems to be the saddest of them all. She's back serving George like guys champagne at a high end club in New York and she didn't want to talk to the reporter of that story.

I guess it just doesn't seem worth it but then I'm not in the business and, you're right Katie, Stacy and Ely both got or are now getting jobs they wouldn't have gotten had they not dated George, and more power to them.

As Lorna suggests, however, I hope Stacy's saving up because when the split comes, that's going to dry up. She just doesn't have that special thing--that zing that makes someone like Julia Roberts a star. And, with all the makeup, stylists, hair folks, PR people, agents etc., she's got to be shelling out the bucks!

Sorry for the long rant. Back on bad meds. Make me very chatty!

Stacy and Ely both got or are now getting jobs they wouldn't have gotten had they not dated George,

After high school, achieved at the Liceo classico Domenico Alberto Azuni of Sassari, he moved to Milan to attend the undergraduate degree in Foreign Languages ​​and Literatures at the State University, at which time he participated in various casting, including the one for the film The fish love with Leonardo Pieraccioni. In 1999, besides to attend as an assistant to Telegatti and make a commercial for the chocolates M & M's, was chosen as the tissue to dance on the table to strip the news until 2002, paired with Maddalena Corvaglia.
The two showgirls posed for the 2002 calendar attached to the October 2001 issue of GQ magazine that, for the occasion, was put up for sale at a price of 12,000 lire. After the nude calendar 2003 for the magazine Max, Canalis became valley in two editions of the sports program Controcam, broadcast on Italian 1, also starring in the third and fourth series of the TV series Carabinieri.
On 28 March 2003 he took part in the program Hello Darwin as part of the category "showgirls". Captained the team with fellow Maddalena Corvaglia and were the opponents of the team "intellectuals" Irene Pivetti. Also in 2003, paired with Federica Fontana, led the program presents comedian Cyrus Visitors and a year later the sequel to Super Cyrus, always on Italy 1. In 2004 she had a part in the music video of the song by Biagio Antonacci, live together, shot in park garden SigurtÃ.
To record a couple of investments in film productions in the United States, in the movies Deuce Bigalow - lady of negotiable affection in balance (2005), Mike Bigelow, and Virgin Territory (2007), David Leland, but on both occasions it does little more than an appearance. In 2005 leads for a week along with former colleague Strip the News Maddalena Corvaglia.In 2006, replacing Michelle Hunziker, Fabio De Luigi was the protagonist of the second season of the sitcom Love Bugs, directed by Marco Limberti, and participated in the cine-panettone Christmas in New York, of Blacks Parenti, where she played the daughter of Christian De Sica. Meanwhile, alongside the latter in some television commercials TIM where he became a testimonial. He returned to the side of Sandro Piccinini Controcam Last Minute beginning of the season 2006/2007.
In 2007 she was a regular guest on the program of the Gialappa's band Never say, Tuesday, assisting in conducting the Forest Mage. She led Furthermore, the Festivalbar 2007 together with Giulio Golia and Enrico Silvestrin in its latest edition. In the same year he participated as a surprise guest at the first Good, transmission of Ale and Franz-based show, broadcast on Italian One. In 2008 he participated in the cine-cake dad's girlfriend with Massimo Boldi and Simona Ventura. In 2008 he was co-host of Arthur with Gene Gnocchi.
In 2009 he started working for the network MTV Italy, combining the VJ Charles Shepherd in the conduct of the daily show Total Request Live, replacing Elena Santarelli. Paired with the same wire, May 16, 2009, presented the MTV TRL Awards 2009, in Piazza Unità d'Italy in Trieste. In 2010, makes a secondary role in five episodes of the television series Leverage - Consulting illegal. Also in 2010, Canalis is among the actors who play in the cine-cake A Christmas Wedding. She was charged in the same year that he had used cocaine [1]
In 2011 he joined Gianni Morandi, along with Belen Rodriguez, Luca Bizzarri and Paolo Kessisoglu in the conduct of the Sanremo Festival. [2] In May strips completely for PETA, the association that defends the rights of animals. [3] Installation in June of the same year for the Spanish version of Vogue, Harper's Bazaar in September, but only the Arabic version. He participated in the program the night of chefs, led by Alfonso Signorini on Channel 5 in the early evening, where he had a fight with a chef.
In autumn 2011, the cast of the thirteenth edition of Dancing with the Stars, the U.S. version of Dancing with the Stars, where he was eliminated in the second week. On 14 and 15 February 2012 as an assistant returns, along with Belen Rodriguez at the Sanremo Festival in place of the first lady Ivana Mrazova blocked by cervical [4].
Cinema [modifica]
Deuce Bigalow - Puttano in saldo (Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo), regia di Mike Bigelow (2005)
Natale a New York, regia di Neri Parenti (2006)
Decameron Pie (Virgin Territory), regia di David Leland (2007)
La seconda volta non si scorda mai, regia di Francesco Ranieri Martinotti (2008)
La fidanzata di papà, regia di Enrico Oldoini (2008)
A Natale mi sposo, regia di Paolo Costella (2010)
Televisione [modifica]
Carabinieri - serie TV (2003-2004)
Love Bugs - serie TV (2005)
Medici miei - serie TV (2008)
Fratelli Benvenuti - serie TV, 6 puntate (2010)
Leverage - Consulenze illegali (Leverage) - serie TV, 5 episodi (2010)
Programmi TV [modifica]
Striscia la notizia (Canale 5, 1999-2002)
Controcampo con Sandro Piccinini (Italia 1, 2002-2007)
Stelle a quattro zampe (Canale 5, 2002)
Ciro presenta Visitors (Italia 1, 2003)
Superciro (Italia 1, 2004)
Striscia la notizia con Maddalena Corvaglia (Canale 5, 2005)
Mai dire Martedì con Mago Forest (Italia 1, 2007)
Festivalbar con Enrico Silvestrin e Giulio Golia (Italia 1, 2007)
Buona la prima con Ale & Franz (Italia 1, 2007, una puntata)
Trofeo Birra Moretti con Anna Tatangelo (Canale 5, 2008)
Artù con Gene Gnocchi (Rai 2, 2008)
Total Request Live con Carlo Pastore (Mtv, 2009)
MTV TRL Awards 2009 (Mtv, 2009)
Così fan tutte (2009, guest star)
Festival di Sanremo 2011 con Gianni Morandi, Belen Rodriguez, Luca Bizzarri e Paolo Kessisoglu (Rai 1, 2011)
La notte degli chef con Alfonso Signorini (Canale 5, 2011)
Dancing with the Stars (Abc, 2011)
Festival di Sanremo 2012 (Rai 1, 2012) con Gianni Morandi, Rocco Papaleo, Ivana Mrazova e Belen Rodriguez
Austria's Next Top Model (PULS4, 2013)


Stacy Keibler

Out of wrestling [edit]
2006 [edit]
The Keibler took part in the U.S. version of the show Dancing with the stars during the entire season of the show's popularity peaked girl: Stacy stood third and decided to leave the wrestling to start a new career.
It was again transferred to the RAW roster, a move that made ​​for some time to think about a possible return of the girl on a permanent basis on the screens WWE. However, this does not happen and July 21, 2006, at the expiration of his contract with WWE, Stacy finally abandoned the federation.
Keibler was the "cover girl" of a major U.S. magazine in June 2005. Maxim ranked her fifth in the ranking "Hot 100" in 2006. He took part in the second season of Dancing with the Stars (U.S. version of Dancing with the Stars) with dancer Tony Dovolani, received a perfect score (30) from the 3 judges for the Samba and finished the competition third. Stacy has appeared on two occasions on MTV.
Appears in an episode of How I Met Your Mother in the part of the bartender Karina, in the episode you hate suits, number 12 episode of the fifth season. It also appears in two episodes of Chuck episode Chuck vs. the zircon Chuck vs the new team where he plays the part of Greta / Victoria Dunwoody

I do not agree, Elisabetta Canalis has a career in the entertainment world for more than 12 years Stacy has only a few sporadic appearance: look at the career of both, I do not seem the same thing and in the career of Eisabetta are not listed ile advertising, shooting, fashion shows etc. but only the activity in television and film

lelacorb wrote:

OofOof wrote:First, I don't think she was even a C Lister before George. She was a solid D most likely. Unless you were interested in wrestling and happened to watch the DWTS season she appeared, you wouldn't know who she was.

When this relationship ends, she will drop down to D List or below. Look at how little PR she's had during the time that George has been out of the country. He's her meal ticket, plain and simple. He's been all of "his girls" meal tickets. I feel sorry for them in that they will always be known as George Clooney's former Girlfriend, no matter what they do in life, but they had to know what they were getting into.

Lorna, I think she has a plan for after George. And I will sound really snarky for saying this so let me say I don't mean to. She will find herself a hedge fund billionaire or wealthy investor or a famous former athlete, get married and have babies. She's perfect for a Donald Trump type. She's said many times, before George, she wanted to be a stay at home Mom. She can have luxury, party and have her cake and not even eat it too!

As far as her opening a restaurant because she's interested in nutrition. Meh! She gets her meals delivered. She parrots others as far as suggesting what people should eat. And, based on what she eats...no thanks! If anything, maybe she should consider opening an exercise studio and hire some of her trainers.

As far as most of the "girls" ending up better off, I wonder. Lisa seems to be the only one who's really moved up somewhat in the world although one could argue that being a radio host, no matter how popular the program, is not the end all, be all for someone wanting to be in the public eye. But even Lisa, in all those articles posted here, sounds a little sad or even bitter about her time with George. She mentions several times getting tired of being known as his former girlfriend.

Sarah seems to be the saddest of them all. She's back serving George like guys champagne at a high end club in New York and she didn't want to talk to the reporter of that story.

I guess it just doesn't seem worth it but then I'm not in the business and, you're right Katie, Stacy and Ely both got or are now getting jobs they wouldn't have gotten had they not dated George, and more power to them.

As Lorna suggests, however, I hope Stacy's saving up because when the split comes, that's going to dry up. She just doesn't have that special thing--that zing that makes someone like Julia Roberts a star. And, with all the makeup, stylists, hair folks, PR people, agents etc., she's got to be shelling out the bucks!

Sorry for the long rant. Back on bad meds. Make me very chatty!

Stacy and Ely both got or are now getting jobs they wouldn't have gotten had they not dated George,

After high school, achieved at the Liceo classico Domenico Alberto Azuni of Sassari, he moved to Milan to attend the undergraduate degree in Foreign Languages ​​and Literatures at the State University, at which time he participated in various casting, including the one for the film The fish love with Leonardo Pieraccioni. In 1999, besides to attend as an assistant to Telegatti and make a commercial for the chocolates M & M's, was chosen as the tissue to dance on the table to strip the news until 2002, paired with Maddalena Corvaglia.
The two showgirls posed for the 2002 calendar attached to the October 2001 issue of GQ magazine that, for the occasion, was put up for sale at a price of 12,000 lire. After the nude calendar 2003 for the magazine Max, Canalis became valley in two editions of the sports program Controcam, broadcast on Italian 1, also starring in the third and fourth series of the TV series Carabinieri.
On 28 March 2003 he took part in the program Hello Darwin as part of the category "showgirls". Captained the team with fellow Maddalena Corvaglia and were the opponents of the team "intellectuals" Irene Pivetti. Also in 2003, paired with Federica Fontana, led the program presents comedian Cyrus Visitors and a year later the sequel to Super Cyrus, always on Italy 1. In 2004 she had a part in the music video of the song by Biagio Antonacci, live together, shot in park garden SigurtÃ.
To record a couple of investments in film productions in the United States, in the movies Deuce Bigalow - lady of negotiable affection in balance (2005), Mike Bigelow, and Virgin Territory (2007), David Leland, but on both occasions it does little more than an appearance. In 2005 leads for a week along with former colleague Strip the News Maddalena Corvaglia.In 2006, replacing Michelle Hunziker, Fabio De Luigi was the protagonist of the second season of the sitcom Love Bugs, directed by Marco Limberti, and participated in the cine-panettone Christmas in New York, of Blacks Parenti, where she played the daughter of Christian De Sica. Meanwhile, alongside the latter in some television commercials TIM where he became a testimonial. He returned to the side of Sandro Piccinini Controcam Last Minute beginning of the season 2006/2007.
In 2007 she was a regular guest on the program of the Gialappa's band Never say, Tuesday, assisting in conducting the Forest Mage. She led Furthermore, the Festivalbar 2007 together with Giulio Golia and Enrico Silvestrin in its latest edition. In the same year he participated as a surprise guest at the first Good, transmission of Ale and Franz-based show, broadcast on Italian One. In 2008 he participated in the cine-cake dad's girlfriend with Massimo Boldi and Simona Ventura. In 2008 he was co-host of Arthur with Gene Gnocchi.
In 2009 he started working for the network MTV Italy, combining the VJ Charles Shepherd in the conduct of the daily show Total Request Live, replacing Elena Santarelli. Paired with the same wire, May 16, 2009, presented the MTV TRL Awards 2009, in Piazza Unità d'Italy in Trieste. In 2010, makes a secondary role in five episodes of the television series Leverage - Consulting illegal. Also in 2010, Canalis is among the actors who play in the cine-cake A Christmas Wedding. She was charged in the same year that he had used cocaine [1]
In 2011 he joined Gianni Morandi, along with Belen Rodriguez, Luca Bizzarri and Paolo Kessisoglu in the conduct of the Sanremo Festival. [2] In May strips completely for PETA, the association that defends the rights of animals. [3] Installation in June of the same year for the Spanish version of Vogue, Harper's Bazaar in September, but only the Arabic version. He participated in the program the night of chefs, led by Alfonso Signorini on Channel 5 in the early evening, where he had a fight with a chef.
In autumn 2011, the cast of the thirteenth edition of Dancing with the Stars, the U.S. version of Dancing with the Stars, where he was eliminated in the second week. On 14 and 15 February 2012 as an assistant returns, along with Belen Rodriguez at the Sanremo Festival in place of the first lady Ivana Mrazova blocked by cervical [4].
Cinema [modifica]
Deuce Bigalow - Puttano in saldo (Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo), regia di Mike Bigelow (2005)
Natale a New York, regia di Neri Parenti (2006)
Decameron Pie (Virgin Territory), regia di David Leland (2007)
La seconda volta non si scorda mai, regia di Francesco Ranieri Martinotti (2008)
La fidanzata di papà, regia di Enrico Oldoini (2008)
A Natale mi sposo, regia di Paolo Costella (2010)
Televisione [modifica]
Carabinieri - serie TV (2003-2004)
Love Bugs - serie TV (2005)
Medici miei - serie TV (2008)
Fratelli Benvenuti - serie TV, 6 puntate (2010)
Leverage - Consulenze illegali (Leverage) - serie TV, 5 episodi (2010)
Programmi TV [modifica]
Striscia la notizia (Canale 5, 1999-2002)
Controcampo con Sandro Piccinini (Italia 1, 2002-2007)
Stelle a quattro zampe (Canale 5, 2002)
Ciro presenta Visitors (Italia 1, 2003)
Superciro (Italia 1, 2004)
Striscia la notizia con Maddalena Corvaglia (Canale 5, 2005)
Mai dire Martedì con Mago Forest (Italia 1, 2007)
Festivalbar con Enrico Silvestrin e Giulio Golia (Italia 1, 2007)
Buona la prima con Ale & Franz (Italia 1, 2007, una puntata)
Trofeo Birra Moretti con Anna Tatangelo (Canale 5, 2008)
Artù con Gene Gnocchi (Rai 2, 2008)
Total Request Live con Carlo Pastore (Mtv, 2009)
MTV TRL Awards 2009 (Mtv, 2009)
Così fan tutte (2009, guest star)
Festival di Sanremo 2011 con Gianni Morandi, Belen Rodriguez, Luca Bizzarri e Paolo Kessisoglu (Rai 1, 2011)
La notte degli chef con Alfonso Signorini (Canale 5, 2011)
Dancing with the Stars (Abc, 2011)
Festival di Sanremo 2012 (Rai 1, 2012) con Gianni Morandi, Rocco Papaleo, Ivana Mrazova e Belen Rodriguez
Austria's Next Top Model (PULS4, 2013)


Stacy Keibler

Out of wrestling [edit]
2006 [edit]
The Keibler took part in the U.S. version of the show Dancing with the stars during the entire season of the show's popularity peaked girl: Stacy stood third and decided to leave the wrestling to start a new career.
It was again transferred to the RAW roster, a move that made ​​for some time to think about a possible return of the girl on a permanent basis on the screens WWE. However, this does not happen and July 21, 2006, at the expiration of his contract with WWE, Stacy finally abandoned the federation.
Keibler was the "cover girl" of a major U.S. magazine in June 2005. Maxim ranked her fifth in the ranking "Hot 100" in 2006. He took part in the second season of Dancing with the Stars (U.S. version of Dancing with the Stars) with dancer Tony Dovolani, received a perfect score (30) from the 3 judges for the Samba and finished the competition third. Stacy has appeared on two occasions on MTV.
Appears in an episode of How I Met Your Mother in the part of the bartender Karina, in the episode you hate suits, number 12 episode of the fifth season. It also appears in two episodes of Chuck episode Chuck vs. the zircon Chuck vs the new team where he plays the part of Greta / Victoria Dunwoody

I do not agree, Elisabetta Canalis has a career in the entertainment world for more than 12 years Stacy has only a few sporadic appearance: look at the career of both, I do not seem the same thing and in the career of Eisabetta are not listed ile advertising, shooting, fashion shows etc. but only the activity in television and film

I agree Elizabetta has gotten more work in Europe and maybe therefore she can be judged as more successful overall than Stacyh. But she obviously wants to make it in the US or she wouldn't have moved to LA. I think her chances are slim to none of doing that. She is definately d-list if that. I think 99% of Americans would not recognize her name. I think there is almost always a "former girlfriend of" explanation.

Fava I think America is lucky! it is true that Elisabetta works a lot in Italy and in Europe, but he spends the money to live in America so I think that with the economic problems that America has (Italy even worse) money coming in are only good for the economy !

I know that I'm not on the same wave as many others, however who says you are to get monetary from a relationship. Maybe it's because I really don't have any of those kind of agendas. I never had a plan for life I dealt with what came to me at the time. To me a relationship is something that hopefully you enjoyed if not it's time to end it.

To me being with George should be a reward in itself and I would hope that he would feel the same about me. Love him and live life.

Mazy, you are a wonderful person with a very pure heart. You love George for what you see in his heart. For his humanitarian work.

Who knows, maybe Lisa, Sarah, Eli and Stacy all feel or felt the same way about George and fell in love with him. I guess I'm such a cynic, I simply don't think they hooked their wagons to him because of his humanitarian work. Frankly, I seriously doubt any of them knew where The Sudan even was before G.

I'm not blaming them--they're in a business, or wanted to be in a business, where access is everything, and each of them tried their best to gain more of it while with him. He seems to pick those kind of people purposefully. As Watching and Lorna have said several times, it's not the girls, it's George. He's choosing Maxim girls and he's most definitely in charge.

Lela--you're right. Eli most definitely had a career in Italy pre George, unlike Stacy who was struggling pre-George. I wonder if Eli's career in Italy has slowed since George or is it the same--in Italy. As Fava pointed out, however, Eli is an unknown in the US. When she gets pap photos published on gossip sites, which is rare,they always identify her as George Clooney's former "piece," which is disgusting. That's what will follow her for the rest of her life, at least over here.

Mazy and OofOof - I don't think your two view points are mutually incompatible.

I think it's possible to date someone, truly care for them, like them, and still take advantage of contacts and fame that dating that person brings you.

Just because dating George brings his girlfriends fame (of sorts) and financial rewards, it doesn't mean that this has to be the only reason they're dating him. I consider it icing on the cake.

No, I'm not suggesting Stacy or Elisabetta or any of the rest of them were in love with George, but I think must be a decent guy and easy enough to have real feelings for.

i don't think Stacy in love with G just they like each other but , Elisabetta was or may be still in love with George there was even story on how she was speaking with chef or someone knew G when he still was with Sarah about how he is and how much she like him and she wish to be his girlfriend someday !!, you don't do that if you don't have crush on someone or love someone and another proof most jealousy stories when they were together were from eli side. all that and other things Betty love G !
and i don't think SL loved him !

Im kinda weird. I couldnt use anybody for my own personal gains much less act like Im dating someone for my own personal gains. I dont use people, and I dont respect someone who tries to use me.

You're not weird Deb. You're nice.

thanks OofOof; you're sweet too

playfuldeb wrote:Im kinda weird. I couldnt use anybody for my own personal gains much less act like Im dating someone for my own personal gains.

Not many people do when you put it like that, Playful.

Let me put it another way: at a party your boyfriend, who you've been dating for two years, introduces you to a co-worker of his who finds out you're a photographer and commissions you to take a portrait of his family. If you agree then you just used your boyfriend for personal gain, but let's be honest, you'd be silly to turn down a job like this.

When I think about it, you don't have to be rich and famous to have connections or something that might help your partner in some little way.

All of us do it all of the time: introduce one friend/acquaintance/family member to another person because they may have something in common that they could both benefit from, even if it's something as silly as a shared love of humorous teapots.

I don't think this is a bad thing or in any way wrong.

Without a doubt all of George's girlfriends get jobs that they wouldn't have if they weren't dating George but that's just the nature of celebrity. It doesn't mean that there's nothing in the relationship other than a cold business deal.

6 months ago Katie, I would have agreed with you but after reading all the stuff on this website, I have to y I disagree. Your example for Deb, is different I think. She didn't get together with her boyfriend so that he would introduce her to people for her photography business. She's been with him for 2 years and he loves her so he introduced her to a friend in need.

After reading all your archival stuff on girl friends, with the exception of Celine, I think all of them got together with George because he's rich and famous. And many of them who were actually in the business but struggling, like Stacy, got together with him, in my opinion, specifically because she knew it would help her get a leg up. If he was a C List or even B Lister on his way out, 20 years older than she is and not very rich or important, he wouldn't have had a chance with Stacy, Eli, Sarah, Lisa or maybe even Celine.

Damn, so if George loses all his money he's shit out of luck? Well unless he gets really really rolypoly - I'm talking sumo wrestler size and is wearing a diaper full-time - I think his looks will still get him some booty! Just sayin.... brahahaha!

Oh I don't doubt he'd get some booty. Hell I'd give him some booty. I love the way he looks. But...I don't think he'd be getting 30 something booty and he wouldn't be getting Stacy/Eli/Sarah booty, which would probably be better for him in the long run!

Thanks OofOof for your comment. Katie, if my boyfriend had a friend that found out I was a photographer andthey hired me, to me that isnt using him for gain. Now if my boyfriend started "asking" people to hire me, I would ask him to stop. In life, I dont photograph friend's friends or family just for that reason. I dont want to be expected to provide discounts or freebies just because I know someone and by not doing it, I dont have to worry about dealing with such. I can recommend another photographer to someone tho. Now if I have an idea I want to try, or something to experiment with, I may use my friends. And if my friend says that she/he knows someone that needs a photographer I will meet with those people and pitch my sales speech, but I dont expect to be hired. But never will I be "hired" to shoot close friends or their friends nad/or families. I try to keep a space between friends and business

Lorna: oh, I dunno, I know some pretty open minded 30-year olds! Isn't his best friend Ben married to someone 20 years his junior?

Yep, I'd agree he wouldn't necessarily be able to date women like Stacy, Elisabetta, Sarah etc, but that's not to say that the only reason they're dating him is what he can do for them. I think it's part of his attraction but IMO only a part of it.

He's also (I assume) a pretty decent man as well as being good looking and funny. All qualities that make him attractive no matter what his income or level of fame.

If he were obese, ugly and a boor, do you think any of them would be with him even if he were rich and famous? I don't. There are women who would, but I don't think it would be any of the ones he's dated in the past 10 years.

What I'm trying to get away from is this either/or thinking. In other words either George and his current girlfriend are truly in love or it's purely a financial relationship. I'm saying that life's more complicated than that and that it's possible to have both an emotional and a financial relationship.

Just because it isn't true love doesn't mean it's nothing either.

playfuldeb wrote: Katie, if my boyfriend had a friend that found out I was a photographer andthey hired me, to me that isnt using him for gain.

Yes, that's my point.

Now let's apply that to George and Stacy: suppose someone George knows offers Stacy a job. That isn't use George for personal gain either, that's simply a natural consequence of knowing George.

playfuldeb wrote: Now if my boyfriend started "asking" people to hire me, I would ask him to stop.

Again, let's apply this to George and Stacy.

Why do we think George has ever asked anyone to give Stacy a job? I look at what she's done so far which is mostly a bunch of personal appearances and it seems to me that has nothing to do with George picking up a phone.

Do we really think that if George Clooney wanted to get someone a job, he'd find such crappy things such as a host on a supermarket reality show or a bit part in Leverage? George regularly employs most of his friends by giving them jobs in his films (either on film or behind the camera) - take a look at the credits of his films and you'll see the same names for costume, lighting, dp, etc etc. Do we really think he couldn't pull out the stops for a girlfriend if he wanted to?

For me, the evidence against George getting any of his girlfriends work is pretty strong.

playfuldeb wrote: In life, I dont photograph friend's friends or family just for that reason. I dont want to be expected to provide discounts or freebies just because I know someone and by not doing it, I dont have to worry about dealing with such. I can recommend another photographer to someone tho. Now if I have an idea I want to try, or something to experiment with, I may use my friends. And if my friend says that she/he knows someone that needs a photographer I will meet with those people and pitch my sales speech, but I dont expect to be hired. But never will I be "hired" to shoot close friends or their friends nad/or families. I try to keep a space between friends and business

Again, to me that sounds a lot like the way George lives his life. He'll find work for his friends (when they're qualified and can do it) and is happy to make connections when it's appropriate but he doesn't push it.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not picking on you, Playful. I just used your situation as an example. What I'm trying to do is show that there's another way of thinking about his girlfriends. People want to show that these women as cold-hearted users, only taking advantage of George and using him for personal gain with no other reason for dating him.

I think there's more to it than that. I think that it's the nature of fame that when you date George Clooney you become of interest to many people and - rightly or wrongly - acquire a level of celebrity yourself. Even if Stacy didn't want to be in magazines, she'd find it hard to avoid it. As it happens she does enjoy the limelight and so she's taking advantage of opportunities she's given. That's not the same as using George or only dating him to benefit from being with him.

Does that make sense guys?

I agree Katie that we do probably over simplify George's relationships and we have no idea what goes on obviously.

I guess I disagree with you as far as him having any emotional attachment to any of them. I don't see it. I think he's a guy who's great at compartmentalizing his life, and, sadly, I think while he's emotionally mature in so many areas, I don't see it with his relationships. I think he's chosen the last several based solely on looks and on the need for someone to join him on all his red carpets. Basically sex and an escort for public appearances.

I have no doubt he's a charming man, and I'm sure he's wonderful to these "girls." It must be amazing to be with someone who can afford almost anything and who has said himself that he likes making sure the people around him are happy. But getting expensive gifts and meeting famous people and walking red carpets and even having fun with the guy do not a real relationship make.

I actually think these "relationships" end up being more like business arrangements than anything else. The biggest problem for him is that they begin to like the PR value of being with him. It pads their bottom lines and so they seem to get almost desperate for it not to end. I don't think it's because they can't imagine life without George. I think sadly, it's because they can't imagine their income dropping once he drops them.

And, I'll say it again--at least all the girls you've put on this site, with the exception maybe of Celine--would never go with him if he didn't look the way he does and wasn't as rich and famous as he is. The fact they drop everything and in one or two days end up staying at his house says it all. And the fact none of them ever says anything about their time with him means there is most definitely a contract. So I guess while it makes me sad to think that this is the way he's chosen to live, I see it as an almost purely business arrangement that includes sex and public appearances.

As far as his friend Ben--hell, it seems like almost all men in the entertainment industry think they should hook up with women 20 years younger. I think they believe it makes them look younger. Which is pretty funny as it just ages them more. As far as Ben's wife, she looked like a deer in the headlights last summer in Como and I'd bet that relationship doesn't last more than a few more years. But who knows, maybe I'm wrong and ol' Ben is a love. I'm sure Alex Baldwin and Clint Eastwood and Neil Diamond and even Leo De Caprio are all sure their girls are with them because they're just irresistible.

Here's hoping the next girl George finds in Maxim or wherever he goes looking is better at looking like she's in love with the guy and not just what he can do for her professionally!