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Well now, where shall I start?
Theresa May's just announced, having visited the Queen this morning, that she will carry on for another five years with the support of the Democratic Unionist Party in Northern Ireland (implications of this? We'll see!)
At the end of the day, she did win but without an overall majority over the other parties. In other words it could be tricky to get things done (Obama would understand!) but now she will seriously have to consult others on everything while she negotiates Brexit with 27 other countries.
I do not envy her. It will involve, and would have anyway, renegotiating no fewer than 793 trade agreements - and that obviously is not the only thing on her plate! It must be a shock for her, (and it will be for the rest of the population) but she has made some mistakes e g telling people that they would have to sell their houses bar £100,000 for their own late life care. She has since withdrawn that but the NHS, though absolutely brilliant is incredibly stretched
Her socialist opponents are backed by Marxists, rappers and Facebook blogs and readily live in cloud cuckoo land. An election offer for instance for all young people was tuition free university education for say a three year degree course from September. Used to happen here when far fewer went to university, but no ideas from the Opposition as to how to fund that offer. Our taxes are about 33% whereas the States averages 26% (no matter what Trump says!) But inevitably young people loved the idea and so voted that way. The naivety of youth.
Pretty sure the whole of Europe is having a good laugh - and no doubt Putin as well..
And I suspect the timing of the bombings was not by accident either.
(All views are my own)
Theresa May's just announced, having visited the Queen this morning, that she will carry on for another five years with the support of the Democratic Unionist Party in Northern Ireland (implications of this? We'll see!)
At the end of the day, she did win but without an overall majority over the other parties. In other words it could be tricky to get things done (Obama would understand!) but now she will seriously have to consult others on everything while she negotiates Brexit with 27 other countries.
I do not envy her. It will involve, and would have anyway, renegotiating no fewer than 793 trade agreements - and that obviously is not the only thing on her plate! It must be a shock for her, (and it will be for the rest of the population) but she has made some mistakes e g telling people that they would have to sell their houses bar £100,000 for their own late life care. She has since withdrawn that but the NHS, though absolutely brilliant is incredibly stretched
Her socialist opponents are backed by Marxists, rappers and Facebook blogs and readily live in cloud cuckoo land. An election offer for instance for all young people was tuition free university education for say a three year degree course from September. Used to happen here when far fewer went to university, but no ideas from the Opposition as to how to fund that offer. Our taxes are about 33% whereas the States averages 26% (no matter what Trump says!) But inevitably young people loved the idea and so voted that way. The naivety of youth.
Pretty sure the whole of Europe is having a good laugh - and no doubt Putin as well..
And I suspect the timing of the bombings was not by accident either.
(All views are my own)
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Thanks for your take PAN. It's was pretty big news here this morning. I loved your expression "live in cloud cuckoo land". We got some of those folks over here too!
Nothing in our world right now is as it should be!
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PAN, I read that May had cut back significantly on police hiring. That may have hurt her support after the two terror attacks? I also read that there were voters who weren't pleased with her tough Brexit stance. Some, maybe more young people, were looking for a Brexit "lite" approach ... though I'm not sure what that means? From your perspective did May take it for granted that she would win the majority? Did she campaign enough? Some commentary I read suggested that she made some of the same mistakes Hilary Clinton made last year during her campaign.
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Donnamarie wrote:PAN, I read that May had cut back significantly on police hiring. That may have hurt her support after the two terror attacks? I also read that there were voters who weren't pleased with her tough Brexit stance. Some, maybe more young people, were looking for a Brexit "lite" approach ... though I'm not sure what that means? From your perspective did May take it for granted that she would win the majority? Did she campaign enough? Some commentary I read suggested that she made some of the same mistakes Hilary Clinton made last year during her campaign.
I have to agree with you....Ok I'm not in the Country but from where I am it look's very much that way.....on both counts.....
The upshot not expected or even imagined in your wildest dreams/nightmares this time yesterday IS the sudden spotlight on the North....Believe me this could cause many problems....It sounds nuts, but I'm praying for wet weather ....Hot headed youths and high temperatures are a lethal combination in this arena.....
Doha at the beginning of the week and now this....
On a more positive note a mate in US told me something is about to come out this weekend or week (you are probably already aware) that will end my gift that keeps on giving...The Don SMILY FACE!
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WWHS - I don't think anything that comes out about Trump will make a difference at this point. The Republican Party is still making excuses for him and his base is still standing by him - even though they may have doubts. They deflect and excuse and blame everyone else - never him.
All we can hope for is that some indisputable proof of treason/collusion with Russia or some completely inexcusable example of ethics violation is turned up by the investigating committees.
All we can hope for is that some indisputable proof of treason/collusion with Russia or some completely inexcusable example of ethics violation is turned up by the investigating committees.
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Comey didn't say anything that would get the idiot impeached. I agree with you Lizzy he will be allowed to carry on as usual and continue to destroy America.
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Absolutely: she had a massive lead going in and had things run as expected, she would have consolidated that lead and been the prime minister for the next five years with an absolute majority - which would have made handling the brexit negotiations a hell of a lot easier.Donnamarie wrote: From your perspective did May take it for granted that she would win the majority?
Now, I don't know how she (or anyone else) will do it, with a hung parliament.
What's become clear to me is that (in general) Conservative voters are older and live in the south, mostly the countryside, whereas Labour voters are younger and hold the cities and most of the north.
The Conservatives were sitting pretty until they announced changes in financing of end of life healthcare which would affect their (older) voters more than Labour voters. Suddenly they lost a key part of their vote and couldn't recover in time.
There were also some really great tactical campaigns by Labour - I don't know how many people saw the video put out by doctors urging voters to vote Labour in order to save the NHS?
[Sorry for putting this here, but not sure how familiar our US posters are with British politics. Loosely, Conservative = Republican, Labour = Democrat]
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Thanks for your thoughts Katie and WWHS. Messing with people's healthcare is a no-win strategy. We found that out after our election in the U.S. Now the majority of people want to KEEP Obamacare. It will be a big issue in our midterm elections.
It seems maybe May shouldn't have gone for this snap election? Should have left well enough alone possibly ... Do you think she will be forced out?
It seems maybe May shouldn't have gone for this snap election? Should have left well enough alone possibly ... Do you think she will be forced out?
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I'm not sure if PM May will be forced out.
It will depend a lot on how much support she'll get from the Irish Democratic Union Party.....DUP..... in future months.
It's been an exciting result though, with many younger voters turning out to vote and a good general turnout overall.
It will depend a lot on how much support she'll get from the Irish Democratic Union Party.....DUP..... in future months.
It's been an exciting result though, with many younger voters turning out to vote and a good general turnout overall.
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Hmmm. Interesting times on both sides of the pond :shock
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I am hoping that the house and senate will flip in the midterms.LizzyNY wrote:WWHS - I don't think anything that comes out about Trump will make a difference at this point. The Republican Party is still making excuses for him and his base is still standing by him - even though they may have doubts. They deflect and excuse and blame everyone else - never him.
All we can hope for is that some indisputable proof of treason/collusion with Russia or some completely inexcusable example of ethics violation is turned up by the investigating committees.
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I just spoke to some of my British friends, and of course we talked about the elections. Their theory about the result is that people started to realize what the Brexit means for them and wanted to 'correct' and protest against it by voting differently than last year.
This sounds a bit awkward for me because they should've known before the referendum, but if you remember what people said after that: "I didn't want us to leave, just wanted to teach Cameron a lesson or "I didn't vote because I never thought they'd win".
So now, after May had already announced a coalition with DUP and the Queen told her to form a government, DUP said that it's not all wrapped up. What a mess, and certainly not bad for Corbin.
This sounds a bit awkward for me because they should've known before the referendum, but if you remember what people said after that: "I didn't want us to leave, just wanted to teach Cameron a lesson or "I didn't vote because I never thought they'd win".
So now, after May had already announced a coalition with DUP and the Queen told her to form a government, DUP said that it's not all wrapped up. What a mess, and certainly not bad for Corbin.
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This would not surprise me at all
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-jean-clause-juncker-brexit-general-election-a7784641.html
If true, it puts a whole different light on things
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-jean-clause-juncker-brexit-general-election-a7784641.html
If true, it puts a whole different light on things
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This:
https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/873005743422812160
https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/873005743422812160
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I like Number10 cat! If the leadership changes in the U.K. would there be any possibility of reversing Brexit?
Just heard that another Federal Appeals Court in the US has knocked down Trump's Muslim ban. But the Supreme Court will have the final say ...
Just heard that another Federal Appeals Court in the US has knocked down Trump's Muslim ban. But the Supreme Court will have the final say ...
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http://people.com/politics/maryland-dc-suing-president-trump-emoluments-clause-tax-returns/
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WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 09: U.S. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP HOLDS A JOINT NEWS CONFERENCE WITH ROMANIAN PRESIDENT KLAUS IOHANNIS IN THE ROSE GARDEN AT THE WHITE HOUSE JUNE 9, 2017 IN WASHINGTON, DC. ACCORDING TO NEWS REPORTS, IOHANNIS SAID THE MEETINGS AGENDA WAS SUPPOSED TO INCLUDE TALKS ON ECONOMIC INVESTMENT AND SECURITY ISSUES RELATED TO RUSSIA. (PHOTO BY CHIP SOMODEVILLA/GETTY IMAGES)
The Maryland and District of Columbia attorneys general are bringing a lawsuit against President Trump, claiming he’s violated the Emoluments Clause in the Constitution.
The suit, being filed Monday by D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine and Maryland Attorney General Brian Frosh, says Trump has engaged in “unprecedented constitutional violations,” the Washington Post reports. (The Post received a copy of the lawsuit.) It says the fact that Trump retains ownership of his company while serving as president has made him “deeply enmeshed with a legion of foreign and domestic government actors.”
Read TIME’s Cover Story: Donald Trump’s Suite of Power
This, the suit argues, violates the emoluments clause in the Constitution, which says, “No Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.” (An emolument, simply stated, is compensation for services or from an office or employment.)
“Fundamental to a President’s fidelity to [faithfully execute his oath of office] is the Constitution’s demand that the President … disentangle his private finances from those of domestic and foreign powers,” the suit reads. “Never before has a President acted with such disregard for this constitutional prescription.”
The attorneys general say they will request Trump’s personal tax returns in the discovery process, which he’s so far refused to disclose.
This article originally appeared on Time.com
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WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 09: U.S. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP HOLDS A JOINT NEWS CONFERENCE WITH ROMANIAN PRESIDENT KLAUS IOHANNIS IN THE ROSE GARDEN AT THE WHITE HOUSE JUNE 9, 2017 IN WASHINGTON, DC. ACCORDING TO NEWS REPORTS, IOHANNIS SAID THE MEETINGS AGENDA WAS SUPPOSED TO INCLUDE TALKS ON ECONOMIC INVESTMENT AND SECURITY ISSUES RELATED TO RUSSIA. (PHOTO BY CHIP SOMODEVILLA/GETTY IMAGES)
The Maryland and District of Columbia attorneys general are bringing a lawsuit against President Trump, claiming he’s violated the Emoluments Clause in the Constitution.
The suit, being filed Monday by D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine and Maryland Attorney General Brian Frosh, says Trump has engaged in “unprecedented constitutional violations,” the Washington Post reports. (The Post received a copy of the lawsuit.) It says the fact that Trump retains ownership of his company while serving as president has made him “deeply enmeshed with a legion of foreign and domestic government actors.”
Read TIME’s Cover Story: Donald Trump’s Suite of Power
This, the suit argues, violates the emoluments clause in the Constitution, which says, “No Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.” (An emolument, simply stated, is compensation for services or from an office or employment.)
“Fundamental to a President’s fidelity to [faithfully execute his oath of office] is the Constitution’s demand that the President … disentangle his private finances from those of domestic and foreign powers,” the suit reads. “Never before has a President acted with such disregard for this constitutional prescription.”
The attorneys general say they will request Trump’s personal tax returns in the discovery process, which he’s so far refused to disclose.
This article originally appeared on Time.com
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Donnamarie, for the leadership to change, there would have to be yet another election and then that government would have to decide whether or not to have another Brexit vote. By which time some would be collapsing thro' exhaustion!
One of the things which is thought to have contributed to the general election result was that those who voted against Brexit i e the remainers (mostly the young), voted for Corbyn.
One of the things which is thought to have contributed to the general election result was that those who voted against Brexit i e the remainers (mostly the young), voted for Corbyn.
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Unlikely. The prime minister isn't like the president of the US (although May seems to think so sometimes!), so the prime minister has to follow her/his own party lines. The leadership may change, but the Conservatives will still be the government and their party line is to make Brexit happen. Therefore the prime minister must also make Brexit happen.Donnamarie wrote: If the leadership changes in the U.K. would there be any possibility of reversing Brexit?
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Well Katie and PAN you're stuck with Brexit and we're stuck with Trump! What a conundrum!
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And what I didn't appreciate until today is that whichever party is in government, Brexit will happen.
Both the Conservative and Labour parties accept that that was what the British people voted for.........
Both the Conservative and Labour parties accept that that was what the British people voted for.........
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I watched 'Back To the Future Part II' yesterday, and it suddenly hit me that Biff Tannen seems to be created after Donald Trump. He's a ruthless loudmouth with a horrible hairstyle who lives in a casino / skyscraper and only sees his advantage, uses everybody when he needs them.
Does anybody agree?
Does anybody agree?
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fava wrote:I am hoping that the house and senate will flip in the midterms.LizzyNY wrote:WWHS - I don't think anything that comes out about Trump will make a difference at this point. The Republican Party is still making excuses for him and his base is still standing by him - even though they may have doubts. They deflect and excuse and blame everyone else - never him.
All we can hope for is that some indisputable proof of treason/collusion with Russia or some completely inexcusable example of ethics violation is turned up by the investigating committees.
It could have been the u-turn on the U.K visit...but it's early in the week, all to play for.....
So much intrigue in the world....if it was a movie plot you would say it's too far fetched.....
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Any other news?
The horrible fire in Grenfell Gower, North Kensington, London, with at least six people dead and many injured.
Steve Scalisa, Rep. congressman, and several others were wounded at a baseballfield in Alexandria, Virginia.
Ten days ago, the biggest rock festival in Germany was evacuated because of a terror suspect, it was continued the next day. Now the police found out that the police simply got confused because names of workers were written in two different versions, and since they're Syrians, this can only mean they're terrorists. That's how things go wrong and people are set under a general suspicion.
The horrible fire in Grenfell Gower, North Kensington, London, with at least six people dead and many injured.
Steve Scalisa, Rep. congressman, and several others were wounded at a baseballfield in Alexandria, Virginia.
Ten days ago, the biggest rock festival in Germany was evacuated because of a terror suspect, it was continued the next day. Now the police found out that the police simply got confused because names of workers were written in two different versions, and since they're Syrians, this can only mean they're terrorists. That's how things go wrong and people are set under a general suspicion.
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By the way:
Since I'm organizing a trip to our British twin-town next month, I just put together some general informations for our fellow travellers and realized how weak the Pound has become compared to the Euro. Two years ago (when I did this as well), the exchange rate was 1,40 £ = 1 €, now it's 1,14 £ = 1 €.
That's not a good sign for the British economy (and also not for other nations who export a lot to Britain)
Since I'm organizing a trip to our British twin-town next month, I just put together some general informations for our fellow travellers and realized how weak the Pound has become compared to the Euro. Two years ago (when I did this as well), the exchange rate was 1,40 £ = 1 €, now it's 1,14 £ = 1 €.
That's not a good sign for the British economy (and also not for other nations who export a lot to Britain)
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That fire in London was horrific! I saw video this morning of the building burning last night. I assume firefighters are still looking for survivors.
I live not far from Alexandria and this shooting is huge news this morning. Luckily the shooter is in custody and no one was killed! Two Capitol Police members, a congressman and a congressional staff aide were shot. Not sure if the shooter was shot. I think so. Five shot in total.
I live not far from Alexandria and this shooting is huge news this morning. Luckily the shooter is in custody and no one was killed! Two Capitol Police members, a congressman and a congressional staff aide were shot. Not sure if the shooter was shot. I think so. Five shot in total.
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That fire was horrible the whole building was on fire that is just so sad.
Apparently there was a group there that complained about the building and said this would happen and unfortunately it did.
Apparently there was a group there that complained about the building and said this would happen and unfortunately it did.
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Apparently the gunman is a disgruntled Democrat. It seems he was trying to target Republicans. It will be interesting to see if this will influence the way Congress deals with gun control going forward or if they still value NRA support over common sense.Donnamarie wrote: I live not far from Alexandria and this shooting is huge news this morning. Luckily the shooter is in custody and no one was killed! Two Capitol Police members, a congressman and a congressional staff aide were shot. Not sure if the shooter was shot. I think so. Five shot in total.
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Lizzy for them to use common sense they would have to have some and they obviously don't.
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Maybe, but I think this really shook them up. They're beginning to realise that everybody - on both sides of the aisle - is fed up with our government. It's not just some right-wing nutcase taking out "liberal snowflakes" (about whom they couldn't care less) but the use of violence is spreading to people who don't like them and the target is on their backs now. That might just be a wake-up call. We can only hope that something gets through to them.
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I don't want to be too political about this horrible shooting this morning. Democrats and Republicans on Capitol Hill are behaving themselves today and are trying to reach out to each other. As it should be. People's lives were on the line this morning and luckily no one was killed. I did hear that one victim is in critical condition.
The baseball practice this morning was in preparation for a big GOP/Dem game tomorrow which I understand will still go on. They have it every year. I think there will be expressions of support and unity and there will probably be a much bigger audience in attendance because of what happened today.
Let's see where things stand next week. Sadly I do think people will go back to their respective talking points and fights. I doubt seriously gun control will be put back on the table.
There will probably be some who say if everyone on the field had been packing the shooter might have been taken out before anyone got hurt. How does anyone with a pistol defend themselves against a semi-automatic rifle? But gun rights' activists often use that defense to support their cause.
The baseball practice this morning was in preparation for a big GOP/Dem game tomorrow which I understand will still go on. They have it every year. I think there will be expressions of support and unity and there will probably be a much bigger audience in attendance because of what happened today.
Let's see where things stand next week. Sadly I do think people will go back to their respective talking points and fights. I doubt seriously gun control will be put back on the table.
There will probably be some who say if everyone on the field had been packing the shooter might have been taken out before anyone got hurt. How does anyone with a pistol defend themselves against a semi-automatic rifle? But gun rights' activists often use that defense to support their cause.
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Well I spoke too soon. It seems that Don Trump Jr. and Kellyanne Conway have tweeted in response to the shooting and a congressman who is a surrogate for Trump is blaming the Democrats for fueling the fires with their anti-Trump rhetoric.
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Donnamarie - You had to know that was coming. While Congress is at least trying to come together over this, team Trump is reacting with it's usual toxic rhetoric. All they ever do is spread division and distrust.
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Yep, a 'stunning' distraction tactic
I like this:
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I like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94nwYhT6PIo
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I would hope the people who voted for him see this , but I know it won't make a difference some of them will support him till hell freezes over.
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Annemarie,
unfortunately I think you're right.
Many people don't see anything apart from their own interests - often understandable when you're just trying to survive, but for many others it's simply over their head. Politics are complicated, and I've never found a political party I agree with 100 %. So it's always a way of compromising, and this seems to be to complex for many.
unfortunately I think you're right.
Many people don't see anything apart from their own interests - often understandable when you're just trying to survive, but for many others it's simply over their head. Politics are complicated, and I've never found a political party I agree with 100 %. So it's always a way of compromising, and this seems to be to complex for many.
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Twelve-year-old activist Joseph Moreno stood his ground on Tuesday when a Donald Trump supporter yelled at him. Moreno had just finished speaking at a city council meeting— from which another Trump supporter had just been escorted— when a man shouted at the attendees outside of the event hall in Huntington Park, California. The angry man was wearing a Trump flag and shouted “American! American!” in support of the U.S. president to the people exiting the meeting.
When the man asked Moreno if he was an American outside of the event hall, the boy responded, “I was born here, but I am also half-Mexican.” The man, who said the boy was “brainwashed” went on to ask “Can you vote over there [in Mexico]?”. Moreno followed with, “Of course I would vote.. but I can’t because I’m 12!”
The altercation was captured by bystanders and posted on Facebook. Watch it below:
After Moreno had called Trump “racist,” the man questioned the boy who then raised his tone and responded, “How is he not a racist? He called Mexicans rapists, drug dealers… I’m standing up for my people. When you’re backing down on them, I’m standing up for them.”
Moreno spoke to the camera at the end of the argument and called the Trump supporters “bad-mannered” for fighting with a 12-year-old.
This isn’t the first time that the young boy has stood up for his beliefs. Last month, Moreno was featured by the Los Angeles Times for taking part in May Day protests with a bullhorn and a message for the president. “If you build a wall, my generation will knock it down,” read his poster.
“If they mess with our community, if they mess with our culture, we will not stay silent,” he told the news outlet. “From students to adults, we will come out and speak out for what we believe in.”
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Twelve-year-old activist Joseph Moreno stood his ground on Tuesday when a Donald Trump supporter yelled at him. Moreno had just finished speaking at a city council meeting— from which another Trump supporter had just been escorted— when a man shouted at the attendees outside of the event hall in Huntington Park, California. The angry man was wearing a Trump flag and shouted “American! American!” in support of the U.S. president to the people exiting the meeting.
When the man asked Moreno if he was an American outside of the event hall, the boy responded, “I was born here, but I am also half-Mexican.” The man, who said the boy was “brainwashed” went on to ask “Can you vote over there [in Mexico]?”. Moreno followed with, “Of course I would vote.. but I can’t because I’m 12!”
The altercation was captured by bystanders and posted on Facebook. Watch it below:
After Moreno had called Trump “racist,” the man questioned the boy who then raised his tone and responded, “How is he not a racist? He called Mexicans rapists, drug dealers… I’m standing up for my people. When you’re backing down on them, I’m standing up for them.”
Moreno spoke to the camera at the end of the argument and called the Trump supporters “bad-mannered” for fighting with a 12-year-old.
This isn’t the first time that the young boy has stood up for his beliefs. Last month, Moreno was featured by the Los Angeles Times for taking part in May Day protests with a bullhorn and a message for the president. “If you build a wall, my generation will knock it down,” read his poster.
“If they mess with our community, if they mess with our culture, we will not stay silent,” he told the news outlet. “From students to adults, we will come out and speak out for what we believe in.”
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“If they mess with our community, if they mess with our culture, we will not stay silent,” he told the news outlet. “From students to adults, we will come out and speak out for what we believe in.”
Moreno sounds like a great kid. Unfortunately, what he said just feeds into the fears of Trump's base. They don't want to support any community or culture but their own - whatever they see that as being. They're terrified by the way America is changing and want to go back to a time when "everyone knew their place". Considering how difficult life has been for minorities here, I can understand not wanting to be one.
One other point. I think we have failed miserably at teaching our kids what it means to be an American. If the people who are born in this country understood the Constitution better - that there are responsibilities as well as rights involved - we might be better citizens. It's interesting that people who become citizens after immigrating know the Constitution better than many of us who were born here.
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Last night I watched a docu about the Watergate affair by Robert Redford. It's from 2013, and it's amazing to see the similarities between now and the Nixon era...
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Carol, I think that same docu is being shown tonight on a cable news channel here. I was planning to watch it. The Trump mess gets compared to Watergate all the time now and called by many as 'Nixsonian'.
Annemarie thanks for the People article. Moreno does sound like a really articulate and passionate young man standing up for what is right.
Lizzy I agree that kids need to understand and appreciate the Constitution and our Bill of Rights more fully. I think all Americans could do with a refresher course on the true meaning of our Constitution which is the basis for our democracy. And it should start at home. Kids emulate their parents' views and behavior.
If parents are uninformed or misinformed well then it just creates a vicious cycle.
Annemarie thanks for the People article. Moreno does sound like a really articulate and passionate young man standing up for what is right.
Lizzy I agree that kids need to understand and appreciate the Constitution and our Bill of Rights more fully. I think all Americans could do with a refresher course on the true meaning of our Constitution which is the basis for our democracy. And it should start at home. Kids emulate their parents' views and behavior.
If parents are uninformed or misinformed well then it just creates a vicious cycle.
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That's the key to everything:Donnamarie wrote:Lizzy I agree that kids need to understand and appreciate the Constitution and our Bill of Rights more fully. I think all Americans could do with a refresher course on the true meaning of our Constitution which is the basis for our democracy. And it should start at home. Kids emulate their parents' views and behavior.
If parents are uninformed or misinformed well then it just creates a vicious cycle.
Talk to your kids at home, they learn from you!
(Unfortunately many people are so dump / stupid / simple minded that we need schools to correct parents' opinions...)
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ted-lieu-says-congress-will-start-impeachment-process-if-trump-fires-investigators/ar-BBCOpZ7?ocid=spartanntp
Representative Ted Lieu of California said he believes Congress will start the impeachment process if President Donald Trump fires special counsel Robert Mueller and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.
“All Americans, regardless of party, agree on the fundamental principle that no one is above the law,” Lieu said in an interview with MSNBC Friday. “And if President Trump were to fire Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein, and then got special counsel Mueller fired, I believe Congress would begin impeachment proceedings.”
The remarks come after President Trump took to Twitter to claim there was a “witch hunt” against him and stating that he was personally under investigation for firing former FBI Director James Comey.
Representative Ted Lieu of California said he believes Congress will start the impeachment process if President Donald Trump fires special counsel Robert Mueller and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.
“All Americans, regardless of party, agree on the fundamental principle that no one is above the law,” Lieu said in an interview with MSNBC Friday. “And if President Trump were to fire Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein, and then got special counsel Mueller fired, I believe Congress would begin impeachment proceedings.”
The remarks come after President Trump took to Twitter to claim there was a “witch hunt” against him and stating that he was personally under investigation for firing former FBI Director James Comey.
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Trump's an idiot. He still doesn't understand it isn't that he fired Comey (it is his presidential prerogative), it's why he fired Comey. At this point I don't know what it would take to get the Republicans to begin impeachment proceedings, but the ball is in their court since they control Congress. I don't think firing the investigators would do it - unless they found something Trump couldn't lie his way out of.
I'm beginning to think it's more likely he'll get caught for financial wrongdoing than anything political.
I'm beginning to think it's more likely he'll get caught for financial wrongdoing than anything political.
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He Is blaming Obama for the witch hunt. He is such a fool how could he think the whole country would like him and agree with his ridiculous policies. He is so delusional it is not funny.
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In a very rural area of Portugal more than 60 people died in a heavy forest fire, the worst in more than 50 years.
They tried to escape the fire that threatened their villages and homes and burned in their cars.
They tried to escape the fire that threatened their villages and homes and burned in their cars.
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That is horrible those poor people .
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Amid a broadening investigation of Russian contacts with his associates and his own role in trying to stop it, President Trump fired off another angry tweet this past week repeating his assertion that he has no business interests in Russia.
But while no Trump Tower graces the Moscow skyline, the Russian authorities recently made sure that another piece of valuable property — the intellectual kind — bearing the same name remained safely in Mr. Trump’s portfolio.
Last year, while hacking Democrats’ emails and working to undermine the American presidential election, the Russian government also granted extensions to six trademarks for Mr. Trump that had been set to expire. The Trump trademarks, originally obtained between 1996 and 2007 for hotels and branding deals that never materialized, each had terms that were coming to an end in 2016.
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Despite their inactivity, the Trump Organization sought extensions for the trademarks from Rospatent, the Russian government agency in charge of intellectual property. In a series of approvals starting in April 2016 and ending in December, Rospatent granted new 10-year terms for the trademarks, the agency’s records show.
Four of the approvals were officially registered on Nov. 8 — Election Day in the United States.
Under normal circumstances, renewing trademarks in Russia is generally a routine matter, and there is nothing to suggest from the few public records available that Mr. Trump was shown favoritism. Still, extensions are not guaranteed and can be subject to challenge — particularly if, as in this case, the trademarks went unused for years, according to interviews with a half-dozen lawyers specializing in intellectual property law.
And there is the unprecedented variable of the applicant, Mr. Trump, an American presidential candidate, seeking approvals from a foreign power that United States intelligence agencies concluded had tried to tip the campaign in his favor. As with other federal agencies in Russia, any sensitive decisions by Rospatent — whose director was handpicked by President Vladimir V. Putin for a previous job as deputy culture minister — are presumed to align with the views of Mr. Putin.
Beyond the questions about Russian government approvals, the trademark renewals cast doubt on Mr. Trump’s oft-stated insistence that he has no business interests in Russia. Mr. Trump has made the claims in response to investigations of possible collusion between his associates and Russia during and after the election.
In January, he wrote on Twitter, “I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA — NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING!” He told NBC News in May that he has “no investments in Russia, none whatsoever.” And on Thursday, he expressed frustration on Twitter over scrutiny of his “non-dealings” in Russia.
© Kirill Kallinikov/Sputnik, via Associated Press A meeting of Rospatent’s board in Moscow in March. Although Mr. Trump has not managed to develop hotels in Russia despite attempts over the years, and has disclosed no active business ventures there, his intellectual property holdings are a valuable commercial interest. The extension of trademarks such as “Trump International Hotel and Tower” protects his brand in that country and preserves conditions for potential business deals.
“Trademarks have inherent value, per se, as they allow you to stop others from using the mark either by stopping competing registrations or stopping infringing uses,” said Annsley Merelle Ward, an expert in intellectual property law at Bristows law firm in London.
In addition to the six trademarks that were renewed, the Trump Organization has two Russian trademarks that are due to expire next year. That Mr. Trump had obtained trademarks in Russia decades ago for unsuccessful projects has been previously reported; the existence of last year’s extensions was discovered by The New York Times during a recent search of Rospatent’s records.
A Rospatent spokesman initially agreed to accept questions, but then did not respond to them. Hope Hicks, a White House spokeswoman, referred questions to the Trump Organization.
Alan Garten, the chief legal counsel for the Trump Organization, said the renewals had been sought “to prevent third parties from infringing on the company’s intellectual property rights.” He added that the Trump trademarks had not faced formal challenges, despite their inactivity, and that there were no plans to use them in the future.
“The company will not be seeking any new business opportunities in Russia,” Mr. Garten said.
Used or not, the trademarks are very important, something Mr. Garten has previously addressed in defending the Trump brand elsewhere. In a 2015 deposition related to an infringement dispute in the United States, he testified that Mr. Trump’s trademarks generally were “one of his most valuable assets.”
“We take the protection and enforcement of my client’s brand extremely seriously,” Mr. Garten said. “We invest a lot of money in its efforts. It is his brand.”
The subject of Mr. Trump’s foreign trademarks has grown increasingly fraught since he won the presidential election, as his company, now run by his two adult sons, has continued to conduct business around the world. A Times review of intellectual property databases in April found that the Trump Organization had 157 trademark applications pending in 36 countries.
An announcement by China in February that it approved trademark registrations the Trumps had long sought set off alarm bells among ethics watchdogs and congressional Democrats, though the action appeared to have been the final step in a decision reached before Mr. Trump became president. Peruvian officials approved Trump trademarks in late December, not long before Peru’s president met with Mr. Trump in February.
On Wednesday, almost 200 Democratic members of Congress filed a federal lawsuit asserting that Mr. Trump’s business activities — including his intellectual property rights abroad — violate the Constitution’s ban on a president’s accepting gifts from foreign powers.
Rospatent’s records contain no information about agency deliberations or possible objections to the Trump trademarks by outside parties. Russia’s processes for handling such matters can be opaque, and “the most interesting aspects are those which are not publicized,” said Eleonora Rosati, a co-editor of the Journal of Intellectual Property Law & Practice.
“The renewal/extension of an existing trademark is not just a formality,” she said. “There are several grounds on which a trademark can be denied registration or registration not be renewed.”
In Russia — a “first-to-file” country, where longtime use of a name or logo cannot protect against a competitor’s swooping in and registering it first — it is not uncommon for businesses to file defensive registrations to keep others from grabbing their trademarks. But they need to put them to use, or the trademarks become open to challenges after three years of inactivity.
Mr. Trump first sought a trademark in Russia, for “Trump Tower,” in 1996 during one of his earliest explorations of a possible real estate project in Moscow. Ten years later, while working with the Bayrock Group on several hotels in the United States, he obtained four more Russian trademarks to be used in connection with hotels. Bayrock — whose top executives included Tevfik Arif, a Soviet-era commerce official originally from Kazakhstan, and Felix Sater, a Russian émigré and felon — scouted potential deals in Russia for Mr. Trump, but none panned out.
In 2007, while selling his brand of vodka in Russia and elsewhere, Mr. Trump obtained a trademark for that purpose, though the product was discontinued after several years. Finally, in 2008, Mr. Trump sought trademarks for a coat of arms and the name “Trump Home,” to be used with a long list of furniture products.
Since then, the Trump trademarks have remained on the books but not put to use. If there were no challenges to a renewal application, approval by Rospatent would normally not be a problem, said Peter Sloane, a trademark attorney with Leason Ellis in White Plains.
“I am not aware of any reason why a renewal would be denied if the necessary formalities, such as filing a new power of attorney, are met,” he said.
Rospatent records show that last year, the Trump Organization obtained a new intellectual property representative in Moscow to handle its trademark registrations, and has since shifted ownership of them out of Mr. Trump’s name and into a limited liability company, DTTM Operations, that he controlled. DTTM is a holding company incorporated in Delaware.
In addition to the eight DTTM-owned trademarks, there is another “Trump” trademark, unrelated to Mr. Trump, that is recognized by Rospatent, by virtue of Russia’s adherence to international treaties governing intellectual property rights. That trademark, filed by a company in Germany, is for a brand of detergent.
Amid a broadening investigation of Russian contacts with his associates and his own role in trying to stop it, President Trump fired off another angry tweet this past week repeating his assertion that he has no business interests in Russia.
But while no Trump Tower graces the Moscow skyline, the Russian authorities recently made sure that another piece of valuable property — the intellectual kind — bearing the same name remained safely in Mr. Trump’s portfolio.
Last year, while hacking Democrats’ emails and working to undermine the American presidential election, the Russian government also granted extensions to six trademarks for Mr. Trump that had been set to expire. The Trump trademarks, originally obtained between 1996 and 2007 for hotels and branding deals that never materialized, each had terms that were coming to an end in 2016.
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Despite their inactivity, the Trump Organization sought extensions for the trademarks from Rospatent, the Russian government agency in charge of intellectual property. In a series of approvals starting in April 2016 and ending in December, Rospatent granted new 10-year terms for the trademarks, the agency’s records show.
Four of the approvals were officially registered on Nov. 8 — Election Day in the United States.
Under normal circumstances, renewing trademarks in Russia is generally a routine matter, and there is nothing to suggest from the few public records available that Mr. Trump was shown favoritism. Still, extensions are not guaranteed and can be subject to challenge — particularly if, as in this case, the trademarks went unused for years, according to interviews with a half-dozen lawyers specializing in intellectual property law.
And there is the unprecedented variable of the applicant, Mr. Trump, an American presidential candidate, seeking approvals from a foreign power that United States intelligence agencies concluded had tried to tip the campaign in his favor. As with other federal agencies in Russia, any sensitive decisions by Rospatent — whose director was handpicked by President Vladimir V. Putin for a previous job as deputy culture minister — are presumed to align with the views of Mr. Putin.
Beyond the questions about Russian government approvals, the trademark renewals cast doubt on Mr. Trump’s oft-stated insistence that he has no business interests in Russia. Mr. Trump has made the claims in response to investigations of possible collusion between his associates and Russia during and after the election.
In January, he wrote on Twitter, “I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA — NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING!” He told NBC News in May that he has “no investments in Russia, none whatsoever.” And on Thursday, he expressed frustration on Twitter over scrutiny of his “non-dealings” in Russia.
© Kirill Kallinikov/Sputnik, via Associated Press A meeting of Rospatent’s board in Moscow in March. Although Mr. Trump has not managed to develop hotels in Russia despite attempts over the years, and has disclosed no active business ventures there, his intellectual property holdings are a valuable commercial interest. The extension of trademarks such as “Trump International Hotel and Tower” protects his brand in that country and preserves conditions for potential business deals.
“Trademarks have inherent value, per se, as they allow you to stop others from using the mark either by stopping competing registrations or stopping infringing uses,” said Annsley Merelle Ward, an expert in intellectual property law at Bristows law firm in London.
In addition to the six trademarks that were renewed, the Trump Organization has two Russian trademarks that are due to expire next year. That Mr. Trump had obtained trademarks in Russia decades ago for unsuccessful projects has been previously reported; the existence of last year’s extensions was discovered by The New York Times during a recent search of Rospatent’s records.
A Rospatent spokesman initially agreed to accept questions, but then did not respond to them. Hope Hicks, a White House spokeswoman, referred questions to the Trump Organization.
Alan Garten, the chief legal counsel for the Trump Organization, said the renewals had been sought “to prevent third parties from infringing on the company’s intellectual property rights.” He added that the Trump trademarks had not faced formal challenges, despite their inactivity, and that there were no plans to use them in the future.
“The company will not be seeking any new business opportunities in Russia,” Mr. Garten said.
Used or not, the trademarks are very important, something Mr. Garten has previously addressed in defending the Trump brand elsewhere. In a 2015 deposition related to an infringement dispute in the United States, he testified that Mr. Trump’s trademarks generally were “one of his most valuable assets.”
“We take the protection and enforcement of my client’s brand extremely seriously,” Mr. Garten said. “We invest a lot of money in its efforts. It is his brand.”
The subject of Mr. Trump’s foreign trademarks has grown increasingly fraught since he won the presidential election, as his company, now run by his two adult sons, has continued to conduct business around the world. A Times review of intellectual property databases in April found that the Trump Organization had 157 trademark applications pending in 36 countries.
An announcement by China in February that it approved trademark registrations the Trumps had long sought set off alarm bells among ethics watchdogs and congressional Democrats, though the action appeared to have been the final step in a decision reached before Mr. Trump became president. Peruvian officials approved Trump trademarks in late December, not long before Peru’s president met with Mr. Trump in February.
On Wednesday, almost 200 Democratic members of Congress filed a federal lawsuit asserting that Mr. Trump’s business activities — including his intellectual property rights abroad — violate the Constitution’s ban on a president’s accepting gifts from foreign powers.
Rospatent’s records contain no information about agency deliberations or possible objections to the Trump trademarks by outside parties. Russia’s processes for handling such matters can be opaque, and “the most interesting aspects are those which are not publicized,” said Eleonora Rosati, a co-editor of the Journal of Intellectual Property Law & Practice.
“The renewal/extension of an existing trademark is not just a formality,” she said. “There are several grounds on which a trademark can be denied registration or registration not be renewed.”
In Russia — a “first-to-file” country, where longtime use of a name or logo cannot protect against a competitor’s swooping in and registering it first — it is not uncommon for businesses to file defensive registrations to keep others from grabbing their trademarks. But they need to put them to use, or the trademarks become open to challenges after three years of inactivity.
Mr. Trump first sought a trademark in Russia, for “Trump Tower,” in 1996 during one of his earliest explorations of a possible real estate project in Moscow. Ten years later, while working with the Bayrock Group on several hotels in the United States, he obtained four more Russian trademarks to be used in connection with hotels. Bayrock — whose top executives included Tevfik Arif, a Soviet-era commerce official originally from Kazakhstan, and Felix Sater, a Russian émigré and felon — scouted potential deals in Russia for Mr. Trump, but none panned out.
In 2007, while selling his brand of vodka in Russia and elsewhere, Mr. Trump obtained a trademark for that purpose, though the product was discontinued after several years. Finally, in 2008, Mr. Trump sought trademarks for a coat of arms and the name “Trump Home,” to be used with a long list of furniture products.
Since then, the Trump trademarks have remained on the books but not put to use. If there were no challenges to a renewal application, approval by Rospatent would normally not be a problem, said Peter Sloane, a trademark attorney with Leason Ellis in White Plains.
“I am not aware of any reason why a renewal would be denied if the necessary formalities, such as filing a new power of attorney, are met,” he said.
Rospatent records show that last year, the Trump Organization obtained a new intellectual property representative in Moscow to handle its trademark registrations, and has since shifted ownership of them out of Mr. Trump’s name and into a limited liability company, DTTM Operations, that he controlled. DTTM is a holding company incorporated in Delaware.
In addition to the eight DTTM-owned trademarks, there is another “Trump” trademark, unrelated to Mr. Trump, that is recognized by Rospatent, by virtue of Russia’s adherence to international treaties governing intellectual property rights. That trademark, filed by a company in Germany, is for a brand of detergent.
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[size=34]Senate could vote within days on repealing and replacing Obamacare as Republicans line up for final decision[/size]
By NIKKI SCHWAB, U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 11:53 EDT, 20 June 2017 | UPDATED: 12:12 EDT, 20 June 2017
Senate Republicans may be able to eek out a health care bill before the Fourth of July after all, as Politico is reporting that senators are preparing to vote on an Obamacare repeal next week.
The bill, which has been crafted in private – much to the chagrin of the Democrats who have been complaining about it for weeks – will likely see the light of day by the end of the week, the online publication also learned.
'I believe the majority leader when he said he's going to take it up. I expect us to vote on it next week,' Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., told Politico. 'It's close. Everybody's been counting [votes] since the beginning. It's been close since the beginning.'
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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., can only lose two members of his Republican caucus, as no Democrats are expected to vote in favor of the GOP-led health care bill
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HARD TO GET: The Washington Post suspects that it will be difficult to sell the bill to libertarian Sen. Rand Paul (left), R-Ky., and moderate Sen. Susan Collins (right), R-Alaska
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But Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, (right) has also expressed hesitations, saying she wants the expansion of Medicaid to continue and Planned Parenthood funding to go untouched
Like House Speaker Paul Ryan, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has had to balance the interests of conservatives and moderates within his caucus.
Democrats have not been privy to the health care negotiations and none are expected to support the GOP-led health care bill, as Republicans try to drown President Obama's signature legislative accomplishment.
Because Republicans are using a process called reconciliation, arguing the bill is budget-specific, only a simple majority is needed to get the legislation through the Senate.
Still, with the Senate divided 52-48, McConnell can only afford to lose two votes, with Vice President Mike Pence coming in and placing a tie-breaker.
The Washington Post suspects that McConnell will lose a Republican on each end of the spectrum, pointing to Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., a libertarian who was the one 'no' vote on the budget resolution that initiated the whole process, along with Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, by far the most moderate senator in the GOP caucus.
However, other Republicans seem to be wavering too.
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Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Ala., said she supported a number of components already found in Obamacare, also known as the Affordable Care Act, that the Senate Republican health care bill would likely strip away.
'I am committed to ensuring that important provisions of the ACA, such as covering those with pre-existing conditions, continued support for Medicaid expansion, coverage for dependents and no lifetime limits, and funding for Planned Parenthood remain intact,' she said in a constituent letter, obtained by Politico.
The 151-member Republican Study Committee of House members sent a letter to McConnell making their own demands, according to the Washington Examiner, which are practically opposite of everything Murkowski called for.
The group, which was once chaired by Pence, is worried that the Senate bill will be too moderate for their tastes, as they support phasing out the Medicaid expansion beginning in 2020, along with barring federal family planning funds from going to clinics that perform abortions, which would impact Planned Parenthood.
Eventually the House bill, which passed in early May, and the Senate version will have to be reconciled.
[size=34]Senate could vote within days on repealing and replacing Obamacare as Republicans line up for final decision[/size]
- Senate Republicans may be able to pass a health care bill before the Fourth of July after all
- Politico is reporting that text of the bill, written in secret, may be available by the end of the week, with the vote coming the week next
- Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has to keep his caucus primarily intact, as he can only lose two votes to get the repeal bill through
By NIKKI SCHWAB, U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 11:53 EDT, 20 June 2017 | UPDATED: 12:12 EDT, 20 June 2017
Senate Republicans may be able to eek out a health care bill before the Fourth of July after all, as Politico is reporting that senators are preparing to vote on an Obamacare repeal next week.
The bill, which has been crafted in private – much to the chagrin of the Democrats who have been complaining about it for weeks – will likely see the light of day by the end of the week, the online publication also learned.
'I believe the majority leader when he said he's going to take it up. I expect us to vote on it next week,' Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., told Politico. 'It's close. Everybody's been counting [votes] since the beginning. It's been close since the beginning.'
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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., can only lose two members of his Republican caucus, as no Democrats are expected to vote in favor of the GOP-led health care bill
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HARD TO GET: The Washington Post suspects that it will be difficult to sell the bill to libertarian Sen. Rand Paul (left), R-Ky., and moderate Sen. Susan Collins (right), R-Alaska
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But Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, (right) has also expressed hesitations, saying she wants the expansion of Medicaid to continue and Planned Parenthood funding to go untouched
Like House Speaker Paul Ryan, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has had to balance the interests of conservatives and moderates within his caucus.
Democrats have not been privy to the health care negotiations and none are expected to support the GOP-led health care bill, as Republicans try to drown President Obama's signature legislative accomplishment.
Because Republicans are using a process called reconciliation, arguing the bill is budget-specific, only a simple majority is needed to get the legislation through the Senate.
Still, with the Senate divided 52-48, McConnell can only afford to lose two votes, with Vice President Mike Pence coming in and placing a tie-breaker.
The Washington Post suspects that McConnell will lose a Republican on each end of the spectrum, pointing to Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., a libertarian who was the one 'no' vote on the budget resolution that initiated the whole process, along with Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, by far the most moderate senator in the GOP caucus.
However, other Republicans seem to be wavering too.
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Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Ala., said she supported a number of components already found in Obamacare, also known as the Affordable Care Act, that the Senate Republican health care bill would likely strip away.
'I am committed to ensuring that important provisions of the ACA, such as covering those with pre-existing conditions, continued support for Medicaid expansion, coverage for dependents and no lifetime limits, and funding for Planned Parenthood remain intact,' she said in a constituent letter, obtained by Politico.
The 151-member Republican Study Committee of House members sent a letter to McConnell making their own demands, according to the Washington Examiner, which are practically opposite of everything Murkowski called for.
The group, which was once chaired by Pence, is worried that the Senate bill will be too moderate for their tastes, as they support phasing out the Medicaid expansion beginning in 2020, along with barring federal family planning funds from going to clinics that perform abortions, which would impact Planned Parenthood.
Eventually the House bill, which passed in early May, and the Senate version will have to be reconciled.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 3
THIS IS DISGUSTING!
Republicans for the most part do not believe in healthcare for the U.S. They never have. They aren't going to fight to give Americans decent and respectable healthcare coverage. They want their tax cuts for the rich and big business, and by chopping up the ACA and cutting Medicaid they find the big bucks they need to accomplish this. What the Republican Senate is doing right now by shutting out the Democrats and even most Republicans from their bill's debate is absolutely DISGRACEFUL! The Republicans have used the argument since the ACA was enacted that it was the Democrats who never let the Republicans in Congress see the bill and never had hearings before it was passed. That's a lie. Tho it is true that the bill passed with only Democrats supporting it ... which was unfortunate. But there were many hearings and debates held over many months before it came to a vote.
The Republicans will get away with their abysmal behavior once again. I hope they will pay for this next year ... by being voted out of office. But I'm not holding my breath.
Republicans for the most part do not believe in healthcare for the U.S. They never have. They aren't going to fight to give Americans decent and respectable healthcare coverage. They want their tax cuts for the rich and big business, and by chopping up the ACA and cutting Medicaid they find the big bucks they need to accomplish this. What the Republican Senate is doing right now by shutting out the Democrats and even most Republicans from their bill's debate is absolutely DISGRACEFUL! The Republicans have used the argument since the ACA was enacted that it was the Democrats who never let the Republicans in Congress see the bill and never had hearings before it was passed. That's a lie. Tho it is true that the bill passed with only Democrats supporting it ... which was unfortunate. But there were many hearings and debates held over many months before it came to a vote.
The Republicans will get away with their abysmal behavior once again. I hope they will pay for this next year ... by being voted out of office. But I'm not holding my breath.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 3
It is not also known as the affordable care act that is it's name idiots.
People have short memories and most won't remember who took away their
health care.
People have short memories and most won't remember who took away their
health care.
annemarie- Over the Clooney moon
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Re: The Serious Side - part 3
How is it possible that Mitch McConnell and George come from the same state?
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