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What is the point? He-she always come back.

Should we be at least grateful that Mrs C is wearing undergarments??? George going commando is one thing but his Mrs........!!! The mind boggles! Not a good look for an aspiring lawyer!

No W2O4D don't go. It will be so boring without you.

Way2 I'm very disappointed that you don't want to post here any longer. I have respected your comments here from the time I've been posting.  I always enjoy your perspective on so many issues.  We don't see eye to eye on Amal but we do on George.

As a supporter of Amal's I'm equally exasperated by some of the negative commentary directed at her.  Sometimes I get tired of defending her.  Takes up a lot of energy.  

I've always sensed you a pretty tough person.  You can take it.  We've all had to take it.  I'm just sad that you feel beaten down by those who disagree with your point of view on Amal. I will miss your insightful, colorful and personal perspective.

You don't seem like a person who makes a decision and changes her mind.  But I hope you will.

Surfing, I have no agenda I am a fan of George and think his wife is a good woman and they are in love and happy. You are the one who has the agenda to malign Amal and to discredit George and Amals marriage. You seem to think that by saying all the nasty things you say people will believe you and buy the bullshit you peddle. 

Donnamarie I agree Surfings comments should be removed if we all have to follow the rules that are set up , why shouldn't she. To hell with pc she is disrespectful and malicious towards George and his wife why should any of us have to read the trolls nasty writings. And to any one who says don't read it I come here to read about George I shouldn't have to ignore the rantings of a troll. Especially when she has something nasty to say on nearly every post one of us makes.

Way2Old - IMO, you are one of the few posters here who is respected by pretty much everyone on the site. Your knowledge and opinions enrich COH and bring professional insight into the inner workings of George's world - and no one could ever say you're not a George Clooney fan!

The fact that you no longer feel welcome here should be a wake-up call for some posters that maybe their desire for a kinder, friendlier world has created an uncomfortable atmosphere on COH. Some fans realize that not everything George and Amal do demands praise. It should be ok to say so. Hell, it should be ok to say just about anything!

 And Donnamarie, it sounds just a little triumphant of you to say you're "sad" Way2 feels "beaten down" by your constant defense of Amal. Just a little smug? Like you're winning some pointless war to make everyone love Amal? You're not.

 If you were truly sorry you offended Way2, you'd apologize. It isn't a question of disagreeing, it's a matter of being repeatedly beaten over the head because you disagree. Maybe it's time to examine your own motives in this constant battle to defend Amal - and to remember that this is a George Clooney fansite and Amal is only included because she's with him.

Way2 - I really hope you change your mind. They may not realize it, but even the people who stifle you will really miss you once you're gone.

Lizzy I don't know what to say to you. I am totally offended by your remarks.

There is a lot of back and forth on this site. Those who dislike Amal have pretty strong voices too. In my opinion you are out of line here.

I respect Way2 but I don't agree with all of her comments about Amal. I know my motives for defending Amal. And it has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with respect. There IS a difference! I don't in any way feel smug at all!

Way2-- I think you are saying what a number of folks are unfortunately feeling about the direction of this forum over the last year.  Your humor and no-nonsense opinions will be much missed!  Feel free to reconsider....(after all George got married after he said he was D-O-N-E)

Donnamarie wrote:
I respect Way2 but I don't agree with all of her comments about Amal.  I know my motives for defending Amal.  And it has nothing to do with political correctness.  It has to do with respect.  There IS a difference! I don't in any way feel smug at all!

This, in a nutshell, is part of the issue.  Since you are "respectful," this casts anyone who makes a negative comment--or even sometimes even floats the possibility of something that is not entirely positive-- as disrespectful and mean-spirited.

The rules of Clooneyopenhouse are clear Katiedot posted them does anyone read them. I think they still apply to his wife. I don't see any changes here we have always all given our opinions . It does to me seem like it has become open season on Amal.

This house's opinion is that George can date who he wants, when he wants and any way he wants. As long as he isn't breaking the law, we're fine with it. Anyone who does have issues with the kind of women he dates might want to find another discussion forum; we're not into censorious prudes tutting over suspected bad behaviour. Again, if you feel the need to criticise, pick apart and bitch about someone you've never met and who's done you no harm, ask yourself why. Does it make you feel better? Superior? Remember, what you write says more about you than it ever could about his girlfriend.


The last sentence is what fits truly well for some on here.

Way2Old4Dis wrote:Okay. I give.

My self-imposed moratorium on Amal comments, even in its brevity, was a respite from a troubling trend here, and I should have taken it as a clue.

It is obvious that the faction here that is so taken with Amal that they jump to her defense EVEN WHEN THE POINT BEING MADE WAS THAT SHE DID NOT NEED A DEFENSE will not tolerate any comment that does not praise, or at least excuse, her every action. When even a non-judgement is used as evidence of a personal indictment against her, and the entire focus of comments is either purposely twisted or willfully ignored, then it's time for me to go. There's no other way out of this tunnel-visioned PC trap this forum has fallen into.

I will be keeping my account for the use of PMs with members, but it's no longer possible to be honest or objective or funny here without the hassle of an extended and pointless debate with certain members, so this forum is over for me. It's supposed to be enjoyable. It no longer is. So I'm done.

I feel the same.  I'm sure many others reading here agree but dare not express it out of fear of bullying persecution by a group (with allegedly multiple usernames). Anyone who comments contrary to the specific agenda promoted, is inapplicably accused of violating forum rules and moreover attacked with many offensive insults which obviously do qualify as personal attacks on other posters.
Observing annemarie's insults here and seeing how she gets away with it bemuses me. Isn't it a breach of forum rules?  Legally, it's libel to call others online personal insults like  "troll; insane; requiring medication."  
IF a poster can prove that there is a track record of their IP address known to the forum owners, well, identity can be determined. 
Perhaps those who want to promote anyone other than George Clooney can similarly start their own fanclub, rather than attack others and turn this forum into an advertisement of the latest "partner." It seems the obsequious adulation  by the AA posse  (annemarie, Jenn, lizzygirl, donnamarie, party animal not! Sylvia Cheevers & all their multiple usernames, etc) supersedes any interest in George Clooney.

As for the picture of Gonzo, well, it was taken out of context.  An illustration of Gonzo admiring Cindy Crawford's beauty, as a signature/ emoticon effect. (Btw, seems CC had a lovely day with her family in Ontario, Canada on Monday, hours after the Casamigos tour of duty in Ibiza. Today, she's back in LA.)

Anyway, it was an abstract idea as innuendo of Gonzo journalism; totally misinterpreted. Such overdramatic response!
 
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We discuss different aspects of George. So why shouldn't we  be able to discuss certain aspects of Amal. It's the discussions that has made this Forum a lot of fun. But lately it hasn't been that much fun because of the PC mentally. 

Maybee what we say about Amal says more about the poster then Amal. 

But the way the PC posters attack other posters says a lot about the PC poster too.

I get the fun. I even laugh at some of the jokes BUT the comments that are nasty and down right mean I don't find funny or clever.  I don't find disrespect of Amal George or anyone on this site funny. The ones like myself who like Amal are showing respect; she is George's wife and I respect the man so I give that courtesy to his wife. I don't believe that everything nasty or we may think is funny has to said. The saying if you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything comes to mind. 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but we need to keep in mind there are going to be consequences for those opinions - there will be those who don't agree and say so.

I get tired of Amal being beaten like a pinata , she hasn't done anything to deserve the nasty comments.

annemarie - I have no problem with you or Donnamarie or anyone saying that Amal is wonderful in everything she does, even though I don't agree. At times I may argue with you, but I assure you I attempt to remain civil and I don't lose respect for you as a person because we don't agree about Amal - a woman neither of us knows and probably never will.

I don't care if you defend her because you think she is perfect or because you are showing respect because she is George's wife. I do care if you expect everyone else to abide by what you think is acceptable, or funny, or respectful. We are all different and agreeing to disagree is part of getting along in this world. I don't insult you by saying your comments say something unpleasant about your character. I would appreciate the same courtesy.

That you accept so lightly the fact that a longtime poster is leaving the forum because they feel so put upon and restricted disturbs me. Can you not understand why Way2Old is leaving? Or is it that you just don't care because now there's one less poster who disagrees with you?

By the way, Amal is hardly being beaten like a pinata - and even if she were (which she isn't) it's only  a bunch of people on a fansite that neither she nor George reads. I doubt there's much on this site that would upset either of them if they did see it. George might even get a good laugh out of how hard  some people are trying to protect his feelings on a site he'll never see.

annemarie wrote:I get the fun. I even laugh at some of the jokes BUT the comments that are nasty and down right mean I don't find funny or clever.  I don't find disrespect of Amal George or anyone on this site funny. The ones like myself who like Amal are showing respect; she is George's wife and I respect the man so I give that courtesy to his wife. I don't believe that everything nasty or we may think is funny has to said. The saying if you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything comes to mind. 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but we need to keep in mind there are going to be consequences for those opinions - there will be those who don't agree and say so.

So everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as it is nice?  That is how I read your post.  If you have an opinion that is not nice, it should not be expressed.

I have no problem with you disagreeing with my opinion.  Please do! But keep to the topic of the opinion.   I have a problem when you imply I shouldn't have expressed it/should have kept it to myself (i.e. if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all).

annemarie wrote:I get tired of Amal being beaten like a pinata , she hasn't done anything to deserve the nasty comments.

I don't get it.  Fact:  her panties were showing.  Discussion:  did she know? How is that nasty comments?

Fava there have been other comments that have crossed the line. 

Fava there are times when I think of something that isn't nice I don't say it. I'm not trying to tell you or anyone else what to say. But there are times on here it seems to me that people go out of their way to say something mean that's what I meant. 

No everyone is entitled to their opinion just don't expect everyone to agree with it. We have all stated our opinions on different things for some of us the things said, just seem mean and vicious for no apparent reason.  

I hope that explains what I meant.

The line in subjective and may not be in the same place for everyone.  I hope you are not lumping regular posters with the troll.

And I do feel like you are telling me what to say when you respond with comments about "respecting George's choices",  etc.  Disagree with the content of my comments, not whether I am a nice or respectful or whatever for making them.

No way I would lump regular posters with the troll.

I don't know you so wouldn't assume to know if you are nice or not. 

These are just my thoughts on the matter I don't expect any one to agree.

To me it is the difference between responding to a post 2 different ways.  One is "I disagree with you."  The other is "how could you say such a thing?" I think they had been too much of the second in the last 6 months.

I agree this is a George Clooney site when George is not around and Amal is papped we talk about her. If she is with George we talk about them both .

And when George does something we discuss him and what he is doing.

Okay, in a effort to shift the focus away from white panties......


On this thread  On August 25th 10:14, Surfing posted some cool photos.  The tight shot of George... take a peek at his ear..  strange wrinkles in front of his ear .

Did our boy get a nip and tuck??

I will do this in one fell swoop, to respond once to the posts and the messages/e-mails.

I truly like this site. I have "met" people whom I now consider confidants, if not friends. But this is a fan site, and it's supposed to be a fun pasttime activity. It's no longer fun. It's frustrating. I already have enough of that.

For the record, I don't think anyone owes me an apology. I wouldn't accept it, because it wouldn't be sincere. In order to offer a real apology, one has to understand the offending act, and I don't think that's the case here. In fact, I'm sure of it. Not that I think an apology would be offered anyway...

This latest incident was just the last straw. I can't tell you how many times I've not posted something that I thought others would have enjoyed, but would have been met with a lot of tsk-tsking by a certain faction. It's just not worth it. I don't need to have my opinions sanctioned (or not) by a panel of righteous apologists.

What I posted on the "panty" topic was my OPINION, based on and supported by what we all here accept as facts. I took great pains to only express that opinion. However, others made the JUDGEMENT(S) about not only Amal's intent but my motivations. My opinion is that the undergarment choice was deliberate. I did not say it was a poor or unclassy choice. Others, however, made the judgement that panties showing under the dress is bad, that Amal is too good or whatever to do that, and that anyone who thinks she would is disrespectful or mean or ridiculous or inane.

Opinion versus judgement. I can accept that some people don't know the difference. That is not what compels me to leave. But don't argue with me because I do know the difference. I don't have the patience for that.

We used to agree to disagree. Now we can't even agree to agree to disagree. If you think Amal Clooney gets up in the mornings and lets the sun out, you are respectful and nice. Point out anything that could lead to a less than sterling assessment, you're not just mean and disrespectful, you're too dumb to see how ridiculous you are.

And I refuse to expend any more energy dealing with that mentality.

I think George is a mans man I don't see him getting a face lift.

I see that at times both sides are wrong and we did used to agree to disagree. I certainly don't think Amal is perfect or she let's the sun out.

I see them, Pigpen, but I didn't know that was a sign. Thought it was behind the ears. Don't they thread everything up through the hairline?

Way2 I like to say how much I enjoy your comments and what a great Person you are.

At the moment it seems like an Amal Clooney Forum and it is hard to share opinions if it comes to Amal. Whoever has a different opinion about Amal gets the Focus and then we start to talk about Posters and not the subject anymore. People getting sensitive, want to have Posts removed becaue "they are out of line" ...People should be banned because "they are rude"....and all this because of Amal. I can't hear it anymore.

I could say now so many things but I better keep it as it is not worth it. But changes has to be made and I have a plan ( I think). And Lorna and I will discuss Options in the next few days. The Focus has to come back to George. And if we are the only once talking about george that is fine too.

But this catfighting about Amal and the disargreements about Amals opinion is nearly 90% of this Forum. It is not fun. And it will not change even though we talk about it. I believe it will only change if we do changes to the Forum. And that will be discussed.

My post does not refer to a group of Posters. It is all of us. We are all responsible for the Situation we are in right now. No exceptions. So no need to blaim others or defend yourself. Now this is what it is. You can't change the past but we can move on and we will think about some changes. Thanks.

Man, Way2, now I am obsessing on what I missed out on in the things you didn't post!  Your posts almost always made me laugh.

Way2Old4Dis wrote:

Right on!   Tell it like it is!     Tell it like it is!   
Inspirational...motivational...interesting...honest....
Some others too...albeit a minority... 

Yeah, PP, I think Pan is right. Those look to me like good old fashioned wrinkles. It's amazing he doesn't have more, considering the amount of time he spends in the sun. He must have a great dermatologist!

SURFING::

I agree with everything you said, turned his fan 

Amal is tacky, she doesn't know how to dress, use vulgar clothes and that do not match his age, loves being the center of attention ... it's futile ... and I still do not believe in this marriage, I'm sorry

Daily George lose good people from this here and all the world.Makes me sad To think one day all will be Gone on  board.

We should not to blame Amal.We should blame ppl who take Amal to heart too much and not like Those who say word against her.This effect this site and all George fans are made to feel being fan George but not Amal Fan are then not wanted as George fan.Them Fans are made feel not welcome.how long George go on with no fans.

What to say.say nothing.Nothing overtop good t say.say nothing.

I don't I don't care.this is no George news.only more and And more will she won't she turn up to do job today.Bored of this.

His dad hasn't aged too badly, only in the last couple of years has nick started to look old.Nina looks good as well so I think genes have a lot to do with George looking good.

Alisonfan wrote:I don't I don't care.this is no George news.only more and And more will she won't she turn up to do job today.Bored of this.

Simple--don't click on a thread titled "Amal...."

LizzyNY wrote:Way2Old - IMO, you are one of the few posters here who is respected by pretty much everyone on the site. Your knowledge and opinions enrich COH and bring professional insight into the inner workings of George's world - and no one could ever say you're not a George Clooney fan!

The fact that you no longer feel welcome here should be a wake-up call for some posters that maybe their desire for a kinder, friendlier world has created an uncomfortable atmosphere on COH. Some fans realize that not everything George and Amal do demands praise. It should be ok to say so. Hell, it should be ok to say just about anything!

 And Donnamarie, it sounds just a little triumphant of you to say you're "sad" Way2 feels "beaten down" by your constant defense of Amal. Just a little smug? Like you're winning some pointless war to make everyone love Amal? You're not.

 If you were truly sorry you offended Way2, you'd apologize. It isn't a question of disagreeing, it's a matter of being repeatedly beaten over the head because you disagree. Maybe it's time to examine your own motives in this constant battle to defend Amal - and to remember that this is a George Clooney fansite and Amal is only included because she's with him.

Way2 - I really hope you change your mind. They may not realize it, but even the people who stifle you will really miss you once you're gone.

I am deeply hurt and offended by your comments to me today Lizzy. And what hurts more is that there are posters here who support what you said to me.

You took a sincere post that I wrote to Way2 and twisted everything to make it seem like I in essence won and she lost. First of all I don't think that way. I'm not the kind of person you make me out to be. I'm not in the least triumphant or smug over Way2 not posting here any longer. I've always respected Way2's comments here. I disagree on Amal frequently. Sometimes vehemently. But I respect Way2 as a person. I've said as much to you Lizzy when you post comments that I don't agree with. I do appreciate what you said but I disagree. And I've never stifled her. But today you attacked me as a person. I take that very personally.

I don't feel the need to apologize to Way2 because I don't think I said anything inappropriate to her or insulted her. I have apologized on COH in the past for getting info wrong. And I apologized to PigPen recently because of a comment I made in response to one of her posts. She sent me a PM. I didn't realize that the tone of my response was taken the wrong way so I felt bad and said as much.

Many here have had strong opinions on Amal, positive and negative. I get that and I have to deal with the negative comments as much as you, Way2 and others deal with the blowback. There is a lot of dishing out but not so much being able to take it without complaints that some of us are piling on. I don't see it that way and I think there are others who would agree with me.

I know this site is about George. That's why I came here in the first place. I love talking about George. I love and admire George as a human being as much as I do as an actor.
I support his marriage to Amal and hope he will be happy with her for years to come.

And contrary to what has been said by someone on COH I do not go out of my way to bring up Amal if the discussion is not about her. That is just not true.

I'm sad that Way2 won't be on the forum any longer. She's smart , funny and has great insight into many issues. But I don't apologize for my defending Amal when I see the need. And Way2 should defend her positions if she feels that strongly about them. It's her choice.

Unfortunately I was singled out today as part culprit in Way2 leaving and I'm terribly hurt. By you Lizzy and others here who obviously agree with your assessment of me. So I won't post here any longer.

I really enjoyed chatting with so many of you. I don't have friends who are George fans so it was fun to come here and talk about him. And Amal. I will miss that. But I'll read what's going on here.

annemarie, I really appreciate all that you said here today! You hang in there!

Donnamarie , I wish you wouldn't go this whole thing today has gotten out of hand. 

I'm glad you understood what I was trying to say.

Was that really necessary to post I think it's time for grown women to act their age not their shoe size.

Alisonfan wrote:I don't I don't care.this is no George news.only more and And more will she won't she turn up to do job today.Bored of this.

Uhhh why the hell are you in a thread that had her name in the title then? And in a part of the forum that is devoted to news about her? I'm bored of YOU.

Ahhh, Kat don't read my post.NO sign of BOSS yet Kat.George fan can go anywhere on George FAN site.No bully off thread or site!by Amal mafia.

Ladys ladys, we try to treat each other like we treat Amal.And show pictures if we say she not gorgeous of ourself in white panties.

Nicky80 wrote:Way2 I like to say how much I enjoy your comments and what a great Person you are.

At the moment it seems like an Amal Clooney Forum and it is hard to share opinions if it comes to Amal. Whoever has a different opinion about Amal gets the Focus and then we start to talk about Posters and not the subject anymore. People getting sensitive, want to have Posts removed becaue "they are out of line" ...People should be banned because "they are rude"....and all this because of Amal. I can't hear it anymore.

I could say now so many things but I better keep it as it is not worth it. But changes has to be made and I have a plan ( I think). And Lorna and I will discuss Options in the next few days. The Focus has to come back to George. And if we are the only once talking about george that is fine too.

But this catfighting about Amal and the disargreements about Amals opinion is nearly 90% of this Forum. It is not fun. And it will not change even though we talk about it. I believe it will only change if we do changes to the Forum. And that will be discussed.

My post does not refer to a group of Posters. It is all of us. We are all responsible for the Situation we are in right now. No exceptions. So no need to blaim others or defend yourself. Now this is what it is. You can't change the past but we can move on and we will think about some changes. Thanks.

Thank you Nicky for bringing calm into the situation.