How much has Amal already changed George??

Just in the last week we've seen so many things that were out of character for George. The whirlwind courtship, unheard of engagement, Lot's of rumored tidbits of their trips over the summer - he's supporting her causes, traveling where she wants to go, etc. Sorry - but I'm gonna be blunt here - Is George already p***y whipped? And at what point will it stop? Or at what point will she get bored with it?

Since I don't know George, I can't say if she has changed him at all. My suspicion is that she has not. 53 year old men don't change that easily or that quickly.

Well, this is all stuff written by someone else, and I don't know him personally either, but let's break it down:
1) Wearing a tshirt of one of her clients - supporting her cause.
2) Taking her to places other than the "usual girlfriend" spots, because she wanted it
3) After 6-8 months (who knows?) the perennial bachelor is engaged.

Kinda big changes for George...

Yes, I also notice a change, maybe that's why I am confused about it all....I had different perception of Clooney

Yes me too! I've been hit with a brick, so until I come to terms with things, I can't really say. The range of emotions are still running, sick, sadness, why, but will I get to anger??? I do wish him well, but there's still issues I have, but can't yet discuss them. I really do feel shell-shocked. Sorry ladies....  

I put the changes down to love and George growing up and maturing. I think Amal came into his life at the right time and they fit each other.

Anybody wonder if a wee bit of it was that we and the rest of the world, were all so smug about how well we knew George and his "habits."

Perhaps it was time for him to shake us ALL up and show he's not that predictable after all.

As to George growing up.   He HAS been grown up.  He has been mature in just about everything he's done.  

The fact that he didn't want to marry doesn't mean he was immature.  

What George has always known is what he has wanted.  His wants now have changed, it's okay for people to do that.  I'm a little older than George and I've been re-evaluating what I want out of life too.

I think it's natural.  Many men George's age are already married and reach this age when they start to think about what they have accomplished in life in relation to how much life they have left.  It becomes a problem if these men then decide they no longer want a wife and kids and the job that they hate but have to keep to support the family.

Things that you may not have considered in the past, you now may consider.

My only concern with George is that he have a really solid pre-nup in place.

See I think at this point in time George may want Amal and marriage but if she in anyway becomes a different person than she is now that could be a problem.

What I mean is that marriage often changes people - giving them the idea that they can make demands or expect the other person to change to suit them.   And things or habits that someone may have let "slide" before marriage sometimes become a major issue after marriage.   This expectation could lead to discourse and discontent.

And I hate to say this but it is so true.  There are too many women out in the world that put on one face and behave much differently than they truly are but then the "real" person comes out when they get married.

Good friend was totally duped by his wife to be for several years.  They got married and then the REAL bitch came out.  Once she had her hooks in him she became a total demanding shrew.  And once half his income and two kids were involved he was stuck.  From what I hear he has said he will stick it out till his youngest turns 18.  Can you imagine?  18 years "sticking it out" because of the kids and the fear of losing half his business?

I'm not saying this is Amal, I'm just saying that they've only known each other for a short time.  I hope the person he's seeing is the true person and not someone that she's pretending to be for the time being.

And don't forget - he's not just marrying her - he's marrying her family - and some on this board know all too well how much of a nightmare and heartach THAT can become.

I wish them both the best - but I do have my concerns.  

In the end though it's both of their lives to live and both to either make work or hurt the hell out of each other and then move on.  He's already been through the nightmare hurt divorce - I hope this gal has been showing him her true self and not putting on a mask till she has him "hooked."

He is going to try so hard this time, isn't he?

I always got the impression that he thought he was responsible for the break up of the first marriage, and maybe spent a lot of time blaming himself and feeling guilty of course.

Kathy Lette has some advice - and she should know.

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Too funny! Thanks pan for finding.

Yes he is mature , but not mature enough to handle a serous relationship. This the mature I was talking about. He said when he was with Sarah when he was asked about marriage he was trying to see if he could make a relationship last. I think in that way he matured and is willing to put the time and energy into this marriage.

Lorna wrote...."And I hate to say this but it is so true. There are too many women out in the world that put on one face and behave much differently than they truly are but then the "real" person comes out when they get married."

This applies equally to both men and women doesn't it ?

I don't know why getting married changes some people, but it seems to me that if it changes a person for the worst, then the relationship couldn't have been based on honesty to start with.
Being honest with each other, right from the start
in a relationship, gives it a good foundation in my experience.

Yes, Joanna, I agree. The problem is that too many people don't do that and therein lies the problem.

I hope she's showing her true self.

if george get's hurt , l'm gone kick her a$$      lol

LornaDoone wrote:Yes, Joanna, I agree.  The problem is that too many people don't do that and therein lies the problem.

I hope she's showing her true self.  

Me too

Sorry in a hurry not reading all comments just answering the ?

How much has Amal already change George?

She hasn't changed him at ALL he is still running everything the way he wants, you can not teach an old dog new tricks.

I don't think she'll be able to change him as much as she may think she can.I shudder to think what this will do to his image if it doesn't work out. I think it would be personally devastating for him, but I also think it would make him look like a loser in the eyes of a lot of people. That's why I don't understand why he's in such a hurry to get married.

  I have now had a chance to review most of the info that has been in the media and can report on the following - I really can't see this being a match. Although with all my heart I really do wish George to be happy, but can't see it with Amal, why......I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but if so apologies in advance and look away now!

It does all seem rather a hurry to get the wedding done. Ok he's older but AA is not? The way I see it this, George is speaking with his head and possibly with his heart backing him up. The human rights thing is the key, with G's influence over Drafur, this is the perfect platform for him to extend what he does and maybe push further into areas he's not access to before. I don't doubt that he "likes" her but "love"? Maybe it's the perfect compromise, he gets the job done that his Dad started before him, with an OK girl. Also the parents are pleased she's a nice girl on his level. Barristers are the same as lawyers in that they represent the people who either pay the most or who are in need the most. They switch sides all the time, this is not good for George's image IMOP. I don't see how you can represent a dictator dodging the noose one day to a migrant stealing an apple to feed the kids (ok taken very liberally), but the premise is still the same.

There is also the religious differences, the most recent, G's now "chubby"! He's NOT!! Cuddly yes, but at 53, anyone is going to be set in your ways by then, so I can't see him changing for the better. Giving up drinking, nope! be like caging a bear in a very small box, can't be done! G likes a drink, if her religion says no to drink, meat and probably other things as well, just give in now and forget you ever had a life at all! Does this mean that he won't make films anymore? not ride his bike? People and Hollywood are very fickle and will lose interest in him very quickly only picking up on the drunken benders when they happen, it will all be negative hurt George and his cause.

Compromise is the key bewteen 2 people, and I can't help thinking that, if he does go through with it, either won't last long or that he'll have to stick it out under my first point. What do they say, better the devil you know, come back Stace, all is forgiven!!

Oh my, I hope George isn't making any decision based on what other people want and expect.

I would hope by this time in his life he would know what he would want and what would make him happy.

The way it sounds it's as if we're saying he's doing this because he's afraid of being alone, or he's got some agenda with human rights for which a lawyer as a wife would be a good idea, or that he's doing this for others.

I would like to think that George met a gal who was funny, smart, had a career that wouldn't need his help and therefore he'd be more apt to think that she's interested in him and not what he could do for her career.  And when he met this gal she made him laugh and she laughed at his jokes too.

Maybe it's just very simple, he met a gal, liked her, found her interesting, found she made him happy and said to himself, "Wow, did I luck out or what?  I'd better ask her to marry me cause I really want to spend the rest of my life with her!"

Could it have been that simple and nothing else?

And because he really loves her maybe he's trying to make sure his life doesn't over power hers and is working on what makes marriages work - compromise?  

I don't think she's taking over his life.  I think he's just doing what all couples do.  And the rest of this stuff about her trying to change him is just media making up stories to sell their papers/magazines/blogs/entertainment shows.

so difficult matter

I think he knows what he wants

and I now hope he decided it was the right time to get it

Just struck me that maybe the George we're seeing with Amal is the true private George none of us know. He's always been a people pleaser, and all his friends say he loves playing host and doing things for others. Maybe the way he's doing things for Amal is just an extension of the way he treats people in his real life, not the professional life we see in the media.

Brillliant post, Lorna - and so true, Lizzy. Do you remember Matt Damon sayng during an MM interview, when asked to comment about his friend that he was that and more, and he thought that maybe God had decided he could just do with a little bit more.........

There is so much to George than any of us could guess. He has so many projects going on for humanitarian causes. I remember him saying one time than he spends at least two hours a day on them.

I hope he truly is "In" love but also this relationship will help him in what he feels he must accomplish while he can. It really inn't his fault his relationships don't last. He that when he looks at a GF he has never gotten that feeling that this is who I want to spend the rest of my life with. Things just slowly die off well maybe he has met her(as hard as it is for me to say).

He is a much deeper person than most give him credit for. Yes his father started him off on the right path but it is George that is doing things that he wants to do; almost a need to do them.

I have said it before that I saw little changes one being it's been sometime since seeing him stumble out with Gio on his arm. Backing away from some things, but I think maybe that is George changing himself, I was worried about his health. But maybe it's because he is in love and wants to. I am sure AA will be doing some changing on her own also that's marriage.

Mazy, don't you think we couldn't have asked for better? I always got the impression that he hates red carpets, the whole 'who are you wearing' thing', given his commitment to so many more important and pressing issues.and I have a feeling he's just up with it.

I would be very surprised if Ama; went down that route, false eyelashes and all.

I think he's been around humanitarians and human rights lawyers for a long time - wasn't it David Pressman who is regarded as a 'cousin' of his - and this will seal all he wants to do in the future. Never mind love, of course!!

party animal - not! wrote:
Mazy, don't you think we couldn't have asked for better? I always got the impression that he hates red carpets, the whole 'who are you wearing' thing', given his commitment to so many more important and pressing issues.and I have a feeling he's just up with it.

I would be very surprised if Ama; went down that route, false eyelashes and all.

I think he's been around humanitarians and human rights lawyers for a long time - wasn't it David Pressman who is regarded as a 'cousin' of his - and this will seal all he wants to do in the future. Never mind love, of course!!

I'm sorry PAN I don't know what this has to do with my post. Maybe I'm reading it wrong (got eyes done again) or understanding it wrong. In my way I was trying to say that there is much more to George than what we see on red carpets. Any changing he might be doing is because of his own reasons and I'm sure AA will be doig changes of her own, that is what marriage is about. xxx

No, don't apologise, Mazy. I think we're saying exactly the same thing, and I think you're absolutely right. (Of course!).

There's so much more to him than the red carpet. That's what he needs to do to get to do what he wants to do!! As Charlie Rose said when asked about their engagement, there is a much more serious side to George.

@Mazy & PAN - I think you're both so right. There is much more to George than just being a "movie star". But I also think that, except for the constant pap attention, being a movie star is something he loves.

He has said himself that he loves movies and everything about them. He loves making them, acting in them and (I suspect) the praise and attention they bring him. If he didn't he wouldn't have worked so hard to get where he is in the business. And he has worked very, very hard to build his career and his image, IMO screwing up his personal life in the process.

I'm beginning to think that if anything has changed George's focus, it isn't Amal, but the sense that he's getting to a point where he feels the "movie star" aspect of his career beginning to slip away and he's looking for satisfying work to do in the future. I'm sure he'll broaden his humanitarian efforts, but I don't think he'll ever leave the movie industry. Just as he'll probably work with Amal on human rights issues, I think she'll show up with him on the red carpet from time to time, supporting him in his work.

Yes, Lizzy, I think she'll be there with him and supporting him, but I think she'll move inside while he does all the interviews and junket stuff.......

Not sure where to put this but here's everything you need to know about Orbis International and work they do worldwide to enable people to see...the little girl is obviously a patient-------

Who knew His Nibs was involved with them? Yet another humanitarian cause..........

party animal - not! wrote:Yes, Lizzy, I think she'll be there with him and supporting him, but I think she'll move inside while he does all  the interviews and junket stuff.......

Not sure where to put this but here's everything you need to know about Orbis International and work they do worldwide to enable people to see...the little girl is obviously a patient-------

Who knew His Nibs was involved with them? Yet another humanitarian cause..........

No link here for Orbis Intrrnational pan ?

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Golly gosh. So much to research tonight. All good!

so sweet from him   

My thoughts on Amal changing George is: No one is forcing him to marry her. He is doing all the chasing and asking her to marry him, she is not. He wants what he cannot have and now has achieved his goal. They have the Dafar and humanitarian thing in common but she is not interested at all in his movie career which she should be. He seems to me, he is doing all the giving and doing whatever makes her happy, but as a wife, she should be interested in what he is doing and follow his career. They both are going down separate paths because his movies and career comes first, but in this case, she is number one and he is doing what he thinks makes her happy. I do wish him all the happiness and beautiful future and I am glad he has a pre-nupital agreement with her, for if something happens he has a backup and will not lose all his hard earned fortune. He is a good person, kind & loving and deserves happines.love u george, bg

Strange that there is this assumption that she's not interested in his movie career.  

I guess there are more flies on those walls than we knew.  Or has she called anyone here and expressed that statement?

Just because she went to work in London and he went to an event in Shanghai?  Is that where this is coming from?

I think it's damn refreshing that she doesn't feel the need to be hanging on his arm at every event.

She was at the Monuments Men screening in Washington DC.  She's was in Cabo over the holidays, she's been to dinner with him and his friends.  

But that's not enough?  Oh wait, if she WERE hanging on his arm at every event then she'd be called clingy.

There is no pleasing anyone around here.

Again.  DIYD - DIYD

IMO - If I were Amal I'd be doing exactly the same thing. Being there when I could but not letting my work go to hell just to jump on a plane to be with him to promote a watch company.

If they do tie the knot, then I think this marriage will work just fine. They're together when they can be but then when need be, they go off to do what they need to do.

If anything, this will keep their relationship fresh and interesting. He can then tell her the stories of his day and she can do the same.

This was in all the magazines that she said herself she was not interested in his movie career and not to be involved. That is where I read this, i did not assume this at all. It is all from her, not me. Just wanted to make this clear. I wish them both happines and a beautiful future ahead. love u george, bg

I think maybe the flies have all had a little too much Casamigos lately, Lorna and have become incoherent in their message telling ?

I understood the information coming through was that Amal isn't interested in pursuing a career in acting or show business, which seems obvious to me given her professional status.
That doesn't imply to me that she's not interested in George's film career.

I agree with what you say about their relationship, Lorna, but....
What does DIYD..DIYD mean please ? Lol

Lorna, Lorna, Lorna, home goal time.
Amal has been "clinging" on for dear life from mid march. Or do you think the last FOUR DAYS in London show that she is a madly independent career driven women, one of which was spent at the beauty salon.

Lorna hoping for a wedding invite?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't, Jo.


Like my timing?

The last 12months for George have not been good.
Let us all admit MM doesn't have a cat in hell chance of an Oscar nom. In Gravity his performance was not his finest, and some say the only week link in the movie. They both made money, but for a man with a well developed ego, it was a personal low point. As a fan I was disappointed too, for me and him.

He had also let go of a sweet girl, no loving arms to run to. He was on an ego run, MM 5 different roles, here we imagined 5 Oscars, sight unseen. We believed in "Our Hero". Only problem there he believed in himself more.

Then the delay, someone had the balls to say it's not good enough. He must have known it too.

He is at sea, unchartered waters, no women, pride going down the plug hole, and along came Amal.

Falling in love is a matter of chance, meeting the right person at the right time.

Was this the right time? Was she the right person?

We will never know. Unless George being George, he does meet the right person?

bgarabedian wrote:This was in all the magazines that she said herself she was not interested in his movie career and not to be involved. That is where I read this, i did not assume this at all. It is all from her, not me. Just wanted to make this clear. I wish them both happines and a beautiful future ahead. love u george, bg

Amal has never released any interviews you've read those are just guesses of gossip magazines that use an "insider" to invent balls!

This whole discussion just reminded me of something I once heard about the actress, Shirley MacClaine. She was (and possibly still is) married to a man who lives/lived (I'm not sure if he's still alive) in Hong Kong. They have been married for decades, but have never lived together and have rarely seen each other since they were married. She went her way and he went his. She says they're both perfectly happy with their arragement. It works for them.

Since Amal is so independent and they are both so busy, I wonder if this is how G & A will end up?

PS - Since Lorna is closer to Hollyood than I am, maybe she can tell me if the Shirley MacClaine story is true.