To you it seems that the couple's relationship between Stacy and George is a normal relationship?

I never thought that a relationship between two people could be so strange, but never with his other GF George remained so (stranger? ..... I do not know how to define it!) If poor George must accept this and poor Stacy (I hope you accept this relationship gives her the opportunity to make a lot of money otherwise I would say: Stacy: who forces you to listen to such infamy?
Post scrittum: "I love George but I am a woman and I am on the side of women"

I believe she has accepted the relationship for what it is (if they are in a relationship). Sure that once GC is finish working, we will see more of them together on vacation. Personally I don't see her going anywhere because of all the perks of being the ladyfriend to GC.

Yep Isogetit...I don't think Stacy is going anywhere soon. She's got her show coming up, he's busy and then there's Como and Cabo plus all those Red Carpets. I think we're looking at another year of Stacy.

Is this a normal relationship?

No!

What is normal?

who's stacey?

no couple's relationship
SK is her duenna for public and private events

Is it a normal relationship by the standards of "everyday" people? No

Is it a normal relationship for Hollywood? Yes, it could be; for many celebrities arrangements like the one George and Stacy have works for them. They have many events and busy work schedules and some of the celebrities don't have the time or the patience to "work on a relationship" and that's why these types of couplings work for them. They have "someone" when they need a plus one and when they're too busy to "hold hands with their significant other" there's no pressure to do so.

Is it love? Probably not but we see so little of it, as Katie and others have pointed out, so whose to say that it's not a "good" relationship, if it works for them?

If it wasn't working for either one of them, they would be gone. Plain and simple....you can't make someone stay in a relationship that they don't want. (no matter what the nutter thinks!)

so
the reality is
the non reality

but
acting forever
is not a great life
HIMO

Lighterside wrote:Is it a normal relationship by the standards of "everyday" people? No

Is it a normal relationship for Hollywood? Yes, it could be; for many celebrities arrangements like the one George and Stacy have works for them. They have many events and busy work schedules and some of the celebrities don't have the time or the patience to "work on a relationship" and that's why these types of couplings work for them. They have "someone" when they need a plus one and when they're too busy to "hold hands with their significant other" there's no pressure to do so.

Is it love? Probably not but we see so little of it, as Katie and others have pointed out, so whose to say that it's not a "good" relationship, if it works for them?

If it wasn't working for either one of them, they would be gone. Plain and simple....you can't make someone stay in a relationship that they don't want. (no matter what the nutter thinks!)

I think anyone doubt that if he wanted to stay (stay? Well, never together) with Stacy him there would be what is most intriguing is the question: why is there (it seems hardly bear it, takes her hand and drags as I do with my dog ​​when he meets some bitch in heat!) Many talk about friends with benefits, tell me what it earns George in all this?

Funny analogy lela....I've not seen any signs of "dragging"
Stacy coming from George

theminis wrote:What is normal?

Good question - everyone defines it differently.

Many definine relationships in the context of the culture in which they grew up and often the expectations of the family, which is often also determined by their religious upbringing.

I'm only going to discuss MY own definition of normal.

For me a normal relationship could start in any myriad of ways but it would follow some certain expectations.

Meeting someone involves many avenues, whether alone or with friends, at at an event like a party or social gathering also at your place of work. It could even be thru what many consider that horror of ways - some well-meaning but often truly clueless friend convinces you despite your unease to go on a blind date! (Which I personally have only done twice because I very quickly learned my friends have their own expectations of whom I should date and it often seriously clashed with what I found attractive in a person).

And I'm not talking about looks - I'm talking about personality and behavior. I sometimes wonder at my friends "good intentions" when they set these up and found that if I'm going to make a choice that I'd rather do it based on my likes and dislikes and not some "dream match" that my friends thought they were making for me!

Yet most of us don't have the ability to see someone on TV, on the internet or in a magazine and then have the ability to have someone call them for us so that we can meet them. I'm thinking here the Tom Cruises, Leos and George's of the world.

So that's where the first "abnormality" occurs for me.

The person being called is almost treated like a commodity - a piece of meat - that someone with money and power found attractive and wanted to meet.

So, IMO, the second abnormality occurs when the woman actually agrees to meet him. The woman in this scenario is making a choice on what? His money, looks and power in his industry?

In this scenario then the woman is not looking to meet someone with whom she might have common interests, common aspirations for their lives and common goals, etc. she is looking at either a potential money or power ticket. Perhaps, she even feels flattered that he found her attractive. But for me, this type of relationship starts based on being picked like a fish at the fish market and too often, in the end, what you get when you pick a fish - once you take if from the market - is something that quickly starts to stink.

For me, a relationship should be based on a MUTUAL attraction and a MUTUAL decision to meet.

You see a guy at an event - your eyes meet - and maybe a small spark of interest is ignited so you BOTH have an interest in seeing if there is more to this than just a mutual spark of attraction. Or you meet someone at work and you might be friends at first, but after getting to know them you find that their personality, interests, etc. match many of yours and you want to spend more time with them because you like them and grow to respect them (and vice versa) and you explore whether this person could be someone you would really want to have in your life for a longer term.

This is how I define normal relationships because BOTH are involved in the process of selection.

But this summoning of one person by another - that has already sets up an unbalance - and I think that's where I have the most issue with these types of "relationships."

In the Tom Cruise example, as much as Katie Holmes was flattered and willing to date him - given that she had had a schoolgirl crush on him as she grew up - in the end this continual imbalance in the relationship doomed it to fail. Because Tom was always going to try to stay in control and eventually and because of her love of her daughter and reported unease with the direction his religion might lead her daughter - Katie decided to get out.

I give her credit for not only realizing a mistake had been made but having done something about it.

So that's why I also see why George's relationships are doomed to fail.

George no longer even allows himself to have a relationship where he isn't in total control. He says he doesn't tell them what to do or say. Bullshit.

He summons them - you don't see him going to them. All this talk in the media about how Stacey is playing him is also a bunch of bullshit.

Stacy has no power in this relationship because George could quickly replace her with any other woman and that's HIS problem.

He has no fear that he won't be able to get a woman - what George's problem is that he doesn't know how to behave to actually KEEP a woman. A woman who is there because SHE wants to be there and would be there if George lost every dime he owned.

That's really George's problem isn't it? That unless he gave up everything he'll never know if a woman would stay with him.

Yes, he's physically attractive NOW but how much more attractive is he to women because of the money and power?

Maybe we should feel sorry for him - but really I don't. I realize he won't ever have the type of marriage (or even relationship without marriage if that's what two people want) that his parents had.

He's often mentioned that his life growing up was that where at one point they'd be doing well and then they'd be living in a trailer. See he saw that his mother stayed with his father no matter what his financial situation but he'll never truly know if that's why a woman would stay with him.

His first wife, no matter what issues she may have had with him and why the relationship ended, didn't help to make him trust anyone. Even she, who had more money than he, ripped him to shreds when they divorced. I guess you could use that as an excuse but really - you'd think by now that he'd get over it and learn to trust again.

But if he continues with his selection process - I see, I want - I get someone to call her up... then why would he think he'd have anything other than the outcome he's had for the last several years?

So long long explanation later - this is just my opinion of why I don't consider his relationship "normal." And why, again IN MY OPINION it's doomed to fail.

@lela...while I completely understand your point of view, what I'm trying to get at is that your behavior might also be modified or different in your approach to life in some way, if your life and career were centered in the Hollywood lifestyle.

I'm not saying that all actors do this or that but I am saying that the demands of the job and the level of commitment one makes to their career personally and that success which varies from celebrity to celebrity, may take them down paths in life that the "rest of us" don't perceive as a choice that we would make in our much less demanding lives. Your perspective could change if you walked in their shoes, in other words.

A greenie for Lorna. The women as a commodity element you mention Lorna is what I must admit disturbs me as well. I know G is not the only rich and powerful guy doing it--it seems like the method for them all--but, I find it demeaning to women in general. So, I guess my response to Lela's question is that while I agree with Lighter that "normal" is going to be different for each one of us, based on our circumstances, I simply don't think this relationship is healthy.

I have read all your answers and I understand that all you talk about employment and not of sentimental relationship. it is true that a relationship can be different depending on the situation but I think we can talk about the relationship when there is an exchange of commitment on the part of both and do not you come when I call you and go away when I want you to go because this is the relationship with an escort.

OofOof wrote: I simply don't think this relationship is healthy.

On that point I don't think you'll get much of an argument from any of us! LOL

Ha Lighter! Hope you're having a wonderful Easter weekend. I'll send my best to Sarah P for you! I suspect we're both in the same camp with regard to that one!!!!!

Lighterside wrote:

OofOof wrote: I simply don't think this relationship is healthy.

On that point I don't think you'll get much of an argument from any of us! LOL

Hang on.....I don't agree....Lol.....

But of course I'm as much in the dark as any one but I can't imagine George prolonging an unhealthy relationship with anyone at his age and with his life experience....

At this stage in George’s life there is no way that he can meet anyone in the way that we would consider “normal.” First what is normal I think that this is different for most people. But he cannot see someone that he might be interested in and try to meet her in a conventional manner. First it would be all over the gossip sites heaven knows he would come out like. “I was stalked by GC or something on the order.” His life just isn’t normal. Second he really doesn’t have the time to devote to pursuing a woman to get to meet her.

This way if she doesn’t want to meet him that’s that. If she does then they can start dating, however he is able to date. Difficult I’d assume. As far as him not telling them what to do that may be the case, we don’t know. They go to see him when he is working because they choose, and I’m sure that they know that he has hectic schedules up front.

Both having different careers I think makes it even more difficult. Let’s face it he needs someone who can just stop what they are doing and change plans according to his. This is where love and commitment comes in. My favorite saying was, “I don’t need him to tell me how high to jump, I knew.” That was drastic for different reasons, but similar to that she needs to be accommodating.

I know what a lot of you are going to jump on this, but my opinion is that there can only be one Chief in a relationship, I’m an Indian no Chief. I’m not the only woman out there that feels this way. This doesn’t mean that you are oppressed or cannot have a say but in the if you disagree you don’t create a war out of it; it’s his decision and he takes all responsibility for the outcome. JMHO

Joanna wrote:

Lighterside wrote:

OofOof wrote: I simply don't think this relationship is healthy.

On that point I don't think you'll get much of an argument from any of us! LOL

Hang on.....I don't agree....Lol.....

But of course I'm as much in the dark as any one but I can't imagine George prolonging an unhealthy relationship with anyone at his age and with his life experience....

Unhealthy in the way that Lorna pointed out very eloquently above, related to the imbalance of "power" in the relationship. It's difficult to know of course from the outside, which is where we are observing but no one can dispute the obvious as in who has the "power" in that relationship and it isn't the one with the estrogen. Now of course, that may be just peachy with her, one never knows but I don't know how healthy that is in the long run.

@Oof...hahaha...SP is finding herself in "hot water" as in recent FEC filings showing her doling out 4.8 million of the 5.1 million that SarahPAC raised paid to "establishment consultants" that's she's been raging against, in fact just recently at CPAC! Oops! And the candidates only received just under $300,000 to help them run their campaigns. And she spent more than she raised in contributions...not very "fiscally conservative" to me! Sorry that I'm off topic but that made me laugh so hard! They're really busting her chops in the media for that hypocrisy.

normal is impossible to define

more: can change
too

it's me wrote:normal is impossible to define

more: can change
too

Yes, many of us agree that "normal" varies from person to person...we're not all red jelly beans!

I like jelly beans...

I do think he could meet someone normal and wasn't just interested in the superficial stuff - he just has no interest in that. Sure they would be all "Fuck George Clooney" in the first instance cause honestly, who wouldn't? But if he found a women who had her own life/career established and happily moving forward before he came onto the scene, I think he could have a shot at normal. But then, compromise would have to come into play and we all know that is not George's strong suit.

Could he survive in a relationship where the woman in his life isn't going to be at his beck and call, one who doesn't want to be famous & needs him to get work and one who has her own priorities? And would a woman with a full and rounded life really want an overgrown frat boy who is damaged with serious control issues? If you aren't interested in the fame and the money, George doesn't look like a prize.

Lorna - Watching - excellent answers - well all have our definition of whats normal and judge others accordingly, so perhaps will all that it entails the relationship between George and Stacy is normal by their standards and expectations. xx

right
who would really want an overgrown frat boy
who is also damaged with serious control issues?

interesting question...

"If you arent't interested in the fame and the money, George doesn't look like a prize"

right - he's pretty exhausting

"Who would really want an overgrown frat boy who is also damaged with serious control issues"

it must be love - otherwise you can't stand it

As I didn't know what a "frat boy" was I used Mr Google.

Images of frat boys.....

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I can't believe that's how George is considered to be...
surely not ???

Sorry I think that George has a hell of lot more to offer than his money and helping a woman get famous. He is an extremely intelligent person in opinion. He has a creative mind that alone can make him very interesting to be around can you imagine the conversation that you could have between all the causes that he has things that he wants to do career wise.

As far as being an over grown spoiled kid; I think that is something is more in some people’s mind. Yes he has a good sense of humor but that’s not something that is 24/7 and not when he’s working. I know that he tries to keep everyone happy on set that is only momentary to break the work, work that is endless. George Clooney is a very mature person with a sense of humor. There’s a lot more to George than he is given credit for.

It would be difficult if they both have demanding careers that’s why I said a woman that is not interested in all that. I think that he does pick women that he likes but knows that he’ll not want to marry. He doesn’t want to hurt some woman because he’s not around for long periods at a time. Knows that one thing leads to another and divorce hurts everyone he’s not going to go through that again, which I think that he blames himself for.

As far as George’s money I think that is a hindrance. In my opinion when I learned how much money he had kind of put a damper on my fantasies; that amount of money puts him way out of most of our leagues. I’m not a fashion fanatic, don’t like wearing much jewelry and nothing massive, don’t need elaborate home, my biggest extravagance is my computers and TV. So when I see someone with that kind of money they don’t want or need me, and the money would scare me off.

I’m a low keyed person and like to be in the background. I’m by far not the only woman on the planet that feels the same way. If George finds the right woman for himself he might get married one day. The trouble is it’s not easy to find in Hollywood. I feel bad for him not because he’s not married or doesn’t have kids; but for not having love where your partner loves you more than themselves, some of us just aren’t meant to have it I guess. JMHO

Categorically NO frat boy

Mazy no one is going to jump all over you for your opinion but there are a lot of women who don't share it.

I no longer bristle when someone makes a comment that the woman should be in the background because as a very astute man said to me once - the old mores die off with each generation and are replaced with new ones.

And I am not trying to be insulting so please don't take my comment as such. it's just a fact.

What was considered immoral in the 40s and 50s often is no longer so.

What was considered a woman's "place" in the past is not the same now - things change.

People change - as has been stated by others here.

I wish that George would change because I do feel he has a lot to offer in a relationship - and I'm not talking about his fame, money, etc. I'm talking about George, the person.

Maybe that's what many of us here believe? That he does have so much more to give in a relationship if he tried?

Anyway, the one thing that we ALL know here - no matter how much we discuss and conjecture and wish what George would do - he'll do what HE wants. Only he can determine if what he's got is not enough.

From Mazy's post:

Sorry I think that George has a hell of lot more to offer than his money and helping a woman get famous. He is an extremely intelligent person in opinion. He has a creative mind that alone can make him very interesting to be around can you imagine the conversation that you could have between all the causes that he has things that he wants to do career wise.

I absolutely agree but we don't see that with any of the girlfriends. His friends, colleagues and the actresses that he works with - sure. But the women who warm his bed don't get that George.

As far as being an over grown spoiled kid; I think that is something is more in some people’s mind. Yes he has a good sense of humor but that’s not something that is 24/7 and not when he’s working. I know that he tries to keep everyone happy on set that is only momentary to break the work, work that is endless. George Clooney is a very mature person with a sense of humor. There’s a lot more to George than he is given credit for.

On set, no problem. But for me off set, the pranks, the behaviour with the paps (egging them, air horn, etc) just scream childish. Small things amuse small minds.

It would be difficult if they both have demanding careers that’s why I said a woman that is not interested in all that. I think that he does pick women that he likes but knows that he’ll not want to marry. He doesn’t want to hurt some woman because he’s not around for long periods at a time. Knows that one thing leads to another and divorce hurts everyone he’s not going to go through that again, which I think that he blames himself for.

I think that is a cop out. Should he hold himself accountable for his actions -sure. But maybe he actual needs to give it a proper go before swearing off a relationship with substance and depth before continually playing the victim card. Or maybe he could choose to be honest and state that he has no interest in a relationship and he just wants to get laid with variety by some hot and willing arm candy. Then the fanbase would stop trying to marry him off and they would stop slamming the women. But if George was honest, he then couldn't use the girls a PR prop to keep him in the news and draw attention to his films.

Thing is that he has the opportunity to meet more than just these fame wannabes. Producers, writers, advocates for charities, etc. Yet he "appears" to think the only women who can understand him and have a willingness to spend time with him in accordance with his career demands are these 30 something wannabes model/actress/celebrity types who have failed at building a significant career in the public eye and the most they have to show for those years of "working" at being famous is numerous naked or semi naked pictures of themselves on the internet. Those are the women that he find attractive, these are the people he chooses to bring into his home. That's his choice. I just don't see the point in trying to whitewash it. It is what it is.

I guess we all see different things when we look at George. I don’t white-wash things in my opinion. But when I look at George I don’t see the devil incarnate, far from it. I said that is why he picks the women that he chooses is because he knows that he is not going to get too serious with them, his reasons are his reasons. I don’t think as fans we have the right to expect him to be honest with us and tell us his deepest darkest secrets.

I had a friend that was always laughing and joking around with everyone, she felt that you should make people feel better with a smile. Every time you turned around she was doing something for someone. She’s gone do to hospital error. No one ever realized how depressed she was and was on meds, because she was always making someone laugh.

Two my son got married young 17yr. guess he told his wife he didn’t want children up front, guess she didn’t believe him. A couple of years he still didn’t want kids, she divorced him because she wanted children. I’ll leave all the heart break that she had after having them; the bottom line is she wound up committing suicide. My son has never dated anyone since for more than two years. Has his own home but he won’t even let any of his gf move in with him.

I’m just saying this because you never know what in the mind and heart of someone like George when people all around my son or my friend known for years didn’t know what was in theirs. I appreciate the fact that your opinion about George is different than mine and you have a right to think as you do. However I will stick with mine until something changes it. JMO

I do not understand why some fans are so critical of his love life, it's his choice not yours, he's a grown man and I've never yet seen any hard evidence that any girlfriend has harmed his career, as for marriage and kids, well who said it's a law to be married and have kids, it's personal choice and no one else's business. I'm shocked at the amount of stuff written on here about his girlfriends and on other sites too, they are so not important, he is the one that's suppose to be getting talked about not constantly his love life

Who defines normal in other people's relationships? Every couple is different . I think this is normal for George he is a celebrity who doesn't want marriage or kids. I am happy he is honest and not divorced 8 times he knows what he wants in his life. Stacy seems nice and she fits his life. She has her own thing doesn't need to be under him all the time. As long as they are happy together good for them.

Picachu wrote:I do not understand why some fans are so critical of his love life, it's his choice not yours, he's a grown man and I've never yet seen any hard evidence that any girlfriend has harmed his career, as for marriage and kids, well who said it's a law to be married and have kids, it's personal choice and no one else's business. I'm shocked at the amount of stuff written on here about his girlfriends and on other sites too, they are so not important, he is the one that's suppose to be getting talked about not constantly his love life

Picachu I fear you will continue to be shocked for years to come because the comments are not going to stop!

I've been following George for years on sites like this and the comments have gone on for years - I don't see any abatement in that so you might want to get a glass of wine or whatever helps you to keep your blood pressure down when you hit a George site cause it's not going to get any better!

watching wrote:I think that is a cop out. Should he hold himself accountable for his actions -sure. But maybe he actual needs to give it a proper go before swearing off a relationship with substance and depth before continually playing the victim card. Or maybe he could choose to be honest and state that he has no interest in a relationship and he just wants to get laid with variety by some hot and willing arm candy. Then the fanbase would stop trying to marry him off and they would stop slamming the women. But if George was honest, he then couldn't use the girls a PR prop to keep him in the news and draw attention to his films.

Don't you think that is what he is saying when he states he will never get married again, never have kids and that the relationship is just about "having fun?" (which if I recall is what he and Stacy both said at a recent award show)

annemarie wrote:Who defines normal in other people's relationships? Every couple is different . I think this is normal for George he is a celebrity who doesn't want marriage or kids. I am happy he is honest and not divorced 8 times he knows what he wants in his life. Stacy seems nice and she fits his life. She has her own thing doesn't need to be under him all the time. As long as they are happy together good for them.

I believe that people are talking about the love life of George (much more than many other Hollywood actors) and not only by us here in the forum but also in gossip magazines because the love life of George is not very believable especially with Stacy if he look like a man fond of his wife (I will not say love) maybe the gossip would be extinguished. There are so many Hollywood actors who change partner every season but every time seem to love the new partner and then think they are rather fickle George always seems to stand the relationship!

lelacorb wrote:

annemarie wrote:Who defines normal in other people's relationships? Every couple is different . I think this is normal for George he is a celebrity who doesn't want marriage or kids. I am happy he is honest and not divorced 8 times he knows what he wants in his life. Stacy seems nice and she fits his life. She has her own thing doesn't need to be under him all the time. As long as they are happy together good for them.

I believe that people are talking about the love life of George (much more than many other Hollywood actors) and not only by us here in the forum but also in gossip magazines because the love life of George is not very believable especially with Stacy if he look like a man fond of his wife (I will not say love) maybe the gossip would be extinguished. There are so many Hollywood actors who change partner every season but every time seem to love the new partner and then think they are rather fickle George always seems to stand the relationship!

That's because the press makes him the story with the "eternal bachelor" title they love to tout. Sells their magazines and gets them hits on their blog sites, doesn't it?

I don't think George does much of anything to get attention to his love life. I think all he has to do is show up with someone new and the rumor mill takes over from there. When have we ever heard from either one of them that this was a big love romance? Okay, Stacy did in the beginning with those silly tweets about "it must be love" but that was stopped shortly thereafter and as far as George is concerned, the only comments you get from him is in interviews and he says that they're having a good time or enjoying each other's company...words to that effect. George has never tried to make it anything other than they're dating. No big love story has ever been pushed from his point of view. What we do get are photos of them doing things together when it's convenient for his schedule. What else does a busy single man, who happens to be a celebrity and who doesn't really want to get married at least at the present time, do? Is he supposed to live like a monk unless he wants to marry...that's ridiculous.

Everything else is a projection, interpretation or opinion of the photos we get from the media and fan blogs etc.

I agree with almost all of you including those of you saying completely different things...all I know is talking about George's love life makes me want to drink. I agree with everyone who says it's his life, and, at least he's honest about what he wants from his "relationships"...or so it would appear.

As someone who's not married (sometimes wishes she were but then sees some of my multiple married friends screaming at each other and breathes a sigh of relief!) I also find judging him for choosing not to go the traditional route a little irritating sometimes, on a personal level. If you're not married with kids by a certain age, you're viewed as having failed somehow. While I must admit I do find the choices he makes for company a little disheartening, I do admire the fact he hasn't given in to the public demand for married with kids. I find celebs who seem to go from one failed marriage to another with kids ranging in ages from 2-40 and girls on the side to boot, much more disturbing, personally, than George who, let's face it, is simply looking for a good time with a girl who looks like the "nekkid" pictures he "enjoyed" while he was a teenager.

It wouldn't bother me a bit that he is not interested in what is traditionally defined as a relationship if I didn't see a bit of hypocrisy in the way he goes about it. If he just wants a good lay with Ms. April, why not just do that and give up moving them into his home, remaking their style (cleaning them up), and trying to put them off as "models" or "actresses" or yoga teachers or kindergarten teachers or whatever. The one woman he was with who was actually open about being in porno films, he didn't see fit to take public.

It just seems like he wants it both ways; he wants what Watching accurately described as the frat boy's perfect life--young, pretty girls and lots of them, ready to do whatever he wants whenever he wants it, while at the same time trying to suggest to the public that he's involved in a "relationship" with the woman.

And, I must admit, as a woman no longer in her 30's but still more than able and eager, I do take it a bit personally that he seems to think those of us above the age of 33 aren't sexy or interested in a good time between the sheets! He says wonderful things about no longer doing movies where, as the romantic lead, he's playing against a 20 year old female lead. Says women in Hollywood need more respect and better roles. And then chooses to "date" women 20 years younger who all pretty much look alike and have similar backgrounds in work that focuses on pleasing the male population. And, while I am most definitely making a judgment here based solely on what we see of these girls in public..they don't seem to be intellectually stimulating to the degree I guess I wish the George of my fantasies might find interesting. Who knows, maybe Stacy is sitting in George's back yard right now reading something other than 50 Shades...maybe she's a NY Times fan and reads it everyday but sadly I don't think so.

So for me, it's not that he hasn't settled down. I don't care that he's not married with kids--I respect him for knowing that wasn't for him. It's not even that he seems unwilling to really give emotionally of himself in a relationship. For me, I guess the choices he makes with these women makes me wonder a bit about the rest of his life. Like Lorna said yesterday, he picks these girls like a commodity. He sees them at a party or on TV or in a magazine and then gets an intermediary to arrange transport to Cabo or Como. Two days later, she's "in heaven" and voila! A new "relationship" is born. He then seems to go about trying to whitewash their careers, changing their styles, even their bodies (they all seem to lose a lot of weight when they're with him) and, for 2-3 years we get the "our home" and "our lives are private" lines, while he hauls them down every red carpet in the world and takes them to Como and Cabo. Then, suddenly, it's over, they go back to being a cocktail waitress or professional D Lister, and he finds a newer, younger model.

After coming to COH not knowing anything about him but his movies and his care for the people of Darfur, I have to admit, when I read the archives in the Girls threads it did change my view of him slightly. From the pictures of him with 20 something fake blond, Barbie wanna bes in Miami clubs where he's obviously so f@cling drunk he can barely stand up to the line up of women who, frankly all pretty much look alike...and have all been involved in professions that revolve around pleasing men, I will admit, it has diminished my respect or him...in that area at least. It doesn't mean I can't still admire his professional life--his movies, his directing. And I find his determination to help people everyone else in the world has forgotten to be the area I respect him for the most. His political bent matches mine and I love him for not hiding what he believes, even when it might hurt him professionally. And, hypocrite that I am, I think he's a sexy piece of hotness that I enjoy looking at anytime, anywhere (altho the present look is not my favorite).

So, for me, while I agree with everyone who says it's none of our business, we don't know what really goes on and these girls are probably nothing like what they seem to be...I'm afraid the one area he loses me as a fan is the way he seems to view women. From my perspective, based on the Rande and George party boys and the girls, and let's face it, they're girls, he picks, he strikes me as someone who is concerned mostly with physical appearance with maybe a little of the "hey look guys, I've hooked up with the hottest girl in the school" mentality thrown in for good measure.

I guess it makes me think he's a bit immature in other areas of his life when he seems more interested in T and A and less in someone who might not be the most sexy or beautiful woman around but who most assuredly would know where Darfur was on a map!

Oh dear Oof, you do sound so depressed about it all.
No one is perfect and why should they be ?
Just let go of your judgements and enjoy George for what
he is aye ?

And I think if he did turn up with a middle aged, sensible, mature lady....it would go down
like a lead balloon with a lot of his fans !
Unless it was RENEE of course.....

( sorry mel)

OofOof wrote:I agree with almost all of you including those of you saying completely different things...all I know is talking about George's love life makes me want to drink. I agree with everyone who says it's his life, and, at least he's honest about what he wants from his "relationships"...or so it would appear.

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So, for me, while I agree with everyone who says it's none of our business, we don't know what really goes on and these girls are probably nothing like what they seem to be...I'm afraid the one area he loses me as a fan is the way he seems to view women. From my perspective, based on the Rande and George party boys and the girls, and let's face it, they're girls, he picks, he strikes me as someone who is concerned mostly with physical appearance with maybe a little of the "hey look guys, I've hooked up with the hottest girl in the school" mentality thrown in for good measure.

I guess it makes me think he's a bit immature in other areas of his life when he seems more interested in T and A and less in someone who might not be the most sexy or beautiful woman around but who most assuredly would know where Darfur was on a map!

Great post but I think this sentence, which did make me laugh out loud, really summarizes it best.

Sensual is sensual.

I wouldn't imagine that George is "immature in other areas" of his life now after his life threatening injury and dodging bombs and experiencing the atrocities first hand in Darfur so many times.

And I haven't got a clue what he feels deep down about women.
Does any one ?
Speculation, gossip, rumour and tittle tattle by others who don't know him is not enough to make real judgement in that area IMO

Thank you Joanna I agree with what you said. George would have to be very mature and disciplined to not only do the work that he does; also to make all the deal and discussions that need to be made along with Grant. Someone that is on such a time crunch and has to be mature in most aspects of his life; needs and has a right to something other than work. Let’s face it we’ve said it before, he is a man and has needs and all of them might not be only sexual. He and GF are consenting adults.

“When a woman doesn’t wanna get married, she’s a weirdo. When a man doesn’t wanna get married, he’s George Clooney.” — Sarah Silverman

Well this is an interesting topic. And I can see its got almost every aspect of what we see. And the following is only my opinion too.

What is a publicist? Why hire one?

I have read some interesting info on here in places about that already and gotten info from the internet over time that has led me to one conclusion.

1) A publicists job is to take care of his clients' promotional needs and handle it in the media. Do we not see many denials on gossip? Thats called handled rebuttals of info not deemed true.

2) But what about desired info and how to get it out in a way that doesn't leak back to the source? Articles are one way, handled by savvy writers on the net. But also I see that Stan for instance, uses the gossip sites to splay some info, then if its going badly, redirect a rebuttal at it. His job is to know HOW to get George's name out there on a constant basis, where EVERYONE will want to READ it.

And what sells quicker than any form of gossip? The raunchy type about his LOVE LIFE. We think its only the gossips, earning their dollars. Its when you see multiple articles picking it up, that you see the gossips making the money. Sure, a few daring and risky gossip site may start a bonfire of their own, once in a while, but they usually will do it in a way that offers the publicist his goal in what he prefers to pan out.

Look at other celebs. They are trying their best to get in pics with whatever raunch they can stir up. Look at some of the stories. One is always getting herself thrown in jail and courts, just for the pap attention. We shake our collective heads and wonder when she will grow up. Another does a fake marriage to a guy who apparently wasn't aware he was being used for that purpose. They are all media starved. They will do whatever it takes to get popular and in everyone's mind, as firmly as they can. To be remembered when they are doing their show or films.

And when a couple is breaking up... Do we hear about it long after the situation has occurred as it would normally happen for most? No. We hear about it in gossip. Its USED to STIR up controversy, most of the time. And oh how badly one or the other is taking it. What used to be a private thing, painful and hurtful, has become a means to an end these days.

The main gist here, is there is a product to sell.(At some point in the near future, usually)

But Long ago George was getting sick of the usual publishing efforts. He saw there was a way to make it also work out for the good of someone. Because it was making him sick after every red carpet season, to feel so dirty and unclean. This was his raising in effect. So he found a very worthy cause because his Dad was interested in it, and started using his fame(media use here) to help push those efforts too. Considered it a worthy way to ease off some of the dirty feelings too. Using the girls was also a thing that he didn't like. So he began to strike up "deals" with them to wit, they would also be able to profit from this event as well. And yes, these girls know exactly what they are going to get out of it, per their deal. If she and George get more from it, like a real relationship for a while, Then thats icing on the cake for them.

What I am saying isn't new news. Its around out there if you care to go thru some older articles and read. You will find what I have said here, pretty much. Except the info about Stan. I figured that out by the mere fact, hes the one hired to publish and help George's career thru "publicity". When was the last time you saw an article put out by Stan, on George's career and his family life? Precisely. You don't, yet he's the one who is supposed to be handling it. His company. he is, believe me. He's earning every dollar he makes. And tho George didn't like the way things were early on, he adjusted it to suit himself and manages the feelings of discomfort, we sometimes see in his expression on the carpets.

I think he does grow tired of it tho. I get the feeling he would like to slow his pace down some in the near future, do a little settling, not necessarily marriage, but maybe get a little out of the "lime light" such as it truly is, and change that just a trite, to more acceptable. Like many other older stars tend to do. And you only hear about them when they have something to do, say or sell. Yet they manage pretty well. I think at the moment, he may have a few red carpet goals that have more to do with getting some well deserved recognition for his work, that require immediate use of a GF so that its given every shot he can give it. But I think he prolly has an ending in sight, of some of these things, to an extent. Not saying he won't do red carpets in the future, but we may see more of him on them, than GFs when he comes to that point.

This is what I "feel" and instinctively believe. Just my opinion, and it comes from ALL the musings of others here, articles and old info out there. A lot of stuff is here. Amazing that. But I see this rather than, "do they have a normal relationship"? I see what most celebs are doing to get "fame" and keep them selves relevant so they can sell their products. Relevancy. its harder to attain than you think. I can see by the desperate acts of some celebs, that they recognize its not going to come running up to them all breathless and shouting, "hey you!!! Come here, I wanna make you big!!!"

LornaDoone wrote:“When a woman doesn’t wanna get married, she’s a weirdo. When a man doesn’t wanna get married, he’s George Clooney.” — Sarah Silverman

I like that and can just hear her saying it ! Lol

hehehe

Well joanie you hit the nail right on the head!!! Good work!