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We've all said it before - "Right place, right time".
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Just a real quick aside, and not to go off topic ( very much). Several of my friends who use Hotmail/Outlook have had their private accounts hacked. so be careful kids.
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Not sure why George gets so affected by bad reviews. I mean isnt it tiring if if I lose sleep every time I get scolded by my boss? Not the same? Ok. Never mind.
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The entire world does not see your failures. Nor do you read about it in the press.
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I thought he doesnt care what the world thinks. Kinda sad if he runs away from bad reviews. If it's constructive criticism, I think it could help him to improve his work.
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lionheart wrote:I thought he doesnt care what the world thinks. Kinda sad if he runs away from bad reviews. If it's constructive criticism, I think it could help him to improve his work.
He doesn't care what people think of his private life. But anybody who makes movies for public consumption cares what the world thinks of their work. And because George was involved with every facet of making MM, and it was his biggest budget to date, his concern was completely understandable, IMO.
He didn't run away from the bad reviews. Quite the opposite. He did the junket, magazine press, interviews, TV, Reddit, the works; this after the screening reviews had started coming out. That's not running away.
And a man who apologizes for a film that made back more than twice its budget, and laments that he's "lost touch," is hardly one who wouldn't be able to take constructive criticism.
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Way 2, with the release of this e-mail, do you think his approach to film development/directing/producing will be influenced? Maybe more self conscious?
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Well, this has officially risen to the level of 'historic.'
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Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas
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With theater chains defecting en masse, Sony Pictures Entertainment has pulled the planned Christmas Day release of “The Interview.”
In announcing the decision to cancel the holiday debut, Sony hit back at the hackers who threatened movie theaters and moviegoers and who have terrorized the studio and its employees for weeks.
“Those who attacked us stole our intellectual property, private emails, and sensitive and proprietary material, and sought to destroy our spirit and our morale – all apparently to thwart the release of a movie they did not like,” the statement reads.
“We are deeply saddened at this brazen effort to suppress the distribution of a movie, and in the process do damage to our company, our employees, and the American public,” it continues. “We stand by our filmmakers and their right to free expression and are extremely disappointed by this outcome.”
The studio did not say it would never release the picture theatrically. Insiders tell Variety Sony is exploring all options, including offering the picture on premium video-on-demand as a way to recoup at least some of its investment.
The comedy centers on a hapless television host who is recruited to assassinate North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un. The country has condemned the film and some cyber security experts believe that it played a role in the hack attack on the studio. North Korea has denied involvement in the attacks.
Seth Rogen and James Franco star in the picture, which cost $42 million to produce.
Sony has been reeling for weeks since hackers broke into the studio’s computer system in November and stole internal documents, email messages, film budgets, spreadsheets detailing top executive salaries and the social security numbers of thousands of employees. The documents and records were subsequently leaked online, setting off a firestorm of media coverage.
Tuesday’s message accompanied another data dump. It threatened violence on theaters that showed “The Interview” and people who attend screenings.
“The world will be full of fear,” the message reads. “Remember the 11th of September 2001. We recommend you to keep yourself distant from the places at that time. (If your house is nearby, you’d better leave.)”
In response, exhibition industry lobbying arm the National Association of Theatre Owners said its members must decide individually whether or not to release the picture and Sony said it would respect theater owners’ decision not to exhibit “The Interview.” That set off a cascade of cancellations.
The bulk of the country’s ten largest theater chains — a group that includes AMC, Regal, Cinemark, Carmike and Southern Theatres — announced they would delay showing the picture or would drop it altogether. In statements, many of the theater chains suggested that Sony’s lack of confidence in the film prompted their decision.
Regal, for instance, said its decision was “due to the wavering support of the film ‘The Interview’ by Sony Pictures, as well as the ambiguous nature of any real or perceived security threats.”
Sony was more conciliatory even as it said exhibitor defections motivated its decision.
“We respect and understand our partners’ decision and, of course, completely share their paramount interest in the safety of employees and theater-goers,” the studio’s statement read.
Bruce Nash, founder of the box office site TheNumbers, said that Christmas is one of the busiest times of year for moviegoing and is particularly strong for family films. Any perceived danger or threat might have depressed ticket sales.
“It was never going to be one of the big films of Christmas and clearly chains are going to be concerned about making sure people feel comfortable bringing their children to ‘Annie,’ ‘Into the Woods’ or ‘Night at the Museum,” said Nash.
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Senior Film and Media Reporter@BrentALangWith theater chains defecting en masse, Sony Pictures Entertainment has pulled the planned Christmas Day release of “The Interview.”
In announcing the decision to cancel the holiday debut, Sony hit back at the hackers who threatened movie theaters and moviegoers and who have terrorized the studio and its employees for weeks.
“Those who attacked us stole our intellectual property, private emails, and sensitive and proprietary material, and sought to destroy our spirit and our morale – all apparently to thwart the release of a movie they did not like,” the statement reads.
“We are deeply saddened at this brazen effort to suppress the distribution of a movie, and in the process do damage to our company, our employees, and the American public,” it continues. “We stand by our filmmakers and their right to free expression and are extremely disappointed by this outcome.”
The studio did not say it would never release the picture theatrically. Insiders tell Variety Sony is exploring all options, including offering the picture on premium video-on-demand as a way to recoup at least some of its investment.
The comedy centers on a hapless television host who is recruited to assassinate North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un. The country has condemned the film and some cyber security experts believe that it played a role in the hack attack on the studio. North Korea has denied involvement in the attacks.
Seth Rogen and James Franco star in the picture, which cost $42 million to produce.
Sony has been reeling for weeks since hackers broke into the studio’s computer system in November and stole internal documents, email messages, film budgets, spreadsheets detailing top executive salaries and the social security numbers of thousands of employees. The documents and records were subsequently leaked online, setting off a firestorm of media coverage.
Tuesday’s message accompanied another data dump. It threatened violence on theaters that showed “The Interview” and people who attend screenings.
“The world will be full of fear,” the message reads. “Remember the 11th of September 2001. We recommend you to keep yourself distant from the places at that time. (If your house is nearby, you’d better leave.)”
In response, exhibition industry lobbying arm the National Association of Theatre Owners said its members must decide individually whether or not to release the picture and Sony said it would respect theater owners’ decision not to exhibit “The Interview.” That set off a cascade of cancellations.
The bulk of the country’s ten largest theater chains — a group that includes AMC, Regal, Cinemark, Carmike and Southern Theatres — announced they would delay showing the picture or would drop it altogether. In statements, many of the theater chains suggested that Sony’s lack of confidence in the film prompted their decision.
Regal, for instance, said its decision was “due to the wavering support of the film ‘The Interview’ by Sony Pictures, as well as the ambiguous nature of any real or perceived security threats.”
Sony was more conciliatory even as it said exhibitor defections motivated its decision.
“We respect and understand our partners’ decision and, of course, completely share their paramount interest in the safety of employees and theater-goers,” the studio’s statement read.
Bruce Nash, founder of the box office site TheNumbers, said that Christmas is one of the busiest times of year for moviegoing and is particularly strong for family films. Any perceived danger or threat might have depressed ticket sales.
“It was never going to be one of the big films of Christmas and clearly chains are going to be concerned about making sure people feel comfortable bringing their children to ‘Annie,’ ‘Into the Woods’ or ‘Night at the Museum,” said Nash.
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And this...
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Steve Carell's North Korea Comedy Dropped After Sony Hack
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12/17/2014 1:27pm PDT
In the wake of the hack attack on Sony because of their North Korea assassination film The Interview, New Regency has dropped plans for a North Korea-set film, sources confirm to THR.
Gore Verbinski was attached to direct Pyongyang with Steve Carell to star. Pyongyang, a comedy based on a Guy Delisle graphic novel, had been slated to start shooting in March, sources say. The story centers on a Westerner in North Korea who is accused of espionage. But it was dropped after hackers launched an aggressive and financially devastating attack on Sony because of the studio's film The Interview, which centers on an assassination attempt on North Korea's leader, Kim Jong-un.
Steve Conrad was working on the script for Pyongyang, which was one project of many that Verbinski was working on in his production deal between his company Blind Wink and New Regency.
On Tuesday, new threats from the hacker group that had releases thousands of confidential Sony documents and emails, released a new threat warning that people would be in danger if they went to theaters to see The Interview. Sony left it up to theaters to decide if they would show the film, and, on Wednesday, the nation's largest theater chains dropped plans to show The Interview.
For the past two weeks, the hacker group, calling themselves Guardians of Peace, have released thousands of private emails (many of them belonging to Amy Pascal and Michael Linton) and other private information like social security numbers and financial information for actors.
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Steve Carell's North Korea Comedy Dropped After Sony Hack
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12/17/2014 1:27pm PDT
In the wake of the hack attack on Sony because of their North Korea assassination film The Interview, New Regency has dropped plans for a North Korea-set film, sources confirm to THR.
Gore Verbinski was attached to direct Pyongyang with Steve Carell to star. Pyongyang, a comedy based on a Guy Delisle graphic novel, had been slated to start shooting in March, sources say. The story centers on a Westerner in North Korea who is accused of espionage. But it was dropped after hackers launched an aggressive and financially devastating attack on Sony because of the studio's film The Interview, which centers on an assassination attempt on North Korea's leader, Kim Jong-un.
Steve Conrad was working on the script for Pyongyang, which was one project of many that Verbinski was working on in his production deal between his company Blind Wink and New Regency.
On Tuesday, new threats from the hacker group that had releases thousands of confidential Sony documents and emails, released a new threat warning that people would be in danger if they went to theaters to see The Interview. Sony left it up to theaters to decide if they would show the film, and, on Wednesday, the nation's largest theater chains dropped plans to show The Interview.
For the past two weeks, the hacker group, calling themselves Guardians of Peace, have released thousands of private emails (many of them belonging to Amy Pascal and Michael Linton) and other private information like social security numbers and financial information for actors.
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PigPen wrote:Way 2, with the release of this e-mail, do you think his approach to film development/directing/producing will be influenced? Maybe more self conscious?
I don't know. Hard to say, because I don't know the man and there's no way to know how much he shook off or reconciled, and much he internalized. I do think he will be inclined to stick with his business plan of modest budget/high prestige (low risk, non-spectacular returns) projects -- unless he goes the complete opposite way and takes it as a challenge to prove he can do the big movies. He is George, after all.
Like I said, I don't know. Obviously.
BTW, about that e-mail line... Does anyone else think he may have actually meant "I've lost my touch," rather than "I've lost touch." ? Completely different meanings, and the former speaks to a loss of confidence in his abilities/skills -- which speaks to a deeper personal crisis, IMO. "I've lost touch" just means he was out of synch with what audiences/critics would like -- temporary, and more easily fixable.
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Yes, W2O4D I think he meant MY touch.
And what is Lainey saying, that George got a new gf/fiancee/wife to cover up for the MM failure? Well, I always thought it was strange that my man Stan issued a statement in november 2013? saying that George was not dating Katie Holmes, Monica (whose last name I can't spell) or Amal Alamuddin and then a couple of months later Amal appeared at the White House with George. I believe something happened in those months and George decided he needed a make-over.
And what is Lainey saying, that George got a new gf/fiancee/wife to cover up for the MM failure? Well, I always thought it was strange that my man Stan issued a statement in november 2013? saying that George was not dating Katie Holmes, Monica (whose last name I can't spell) or Amal Alamuddin and then a couple of months later Amal appeared at the White House with George. I believe something happened in those months and George decided he needed a make-over.
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So he's married her and moved to Britain to cover up for a low moment in his life and his own perceived 'failure' of one of his films?
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If his ego was that fragile he'd never have made it this far in his career. He may have been reassessing the priorities in his life, but I really doubt he got married because one of his movies didn't do as well as he hoped.
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I find it very sad that the hacker Group left them with so much power that it influence a movie premier. I don't think North Korea is involved at all it is just to scare People. And it worked. If you remember what happened to the Batman premier...People now think the worst each time a thread comes up.
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So the cybersphere is wild with talk of how Sony "caved" by deciding not to release the movie in theatres, and how the "terrorists have won."
Well, it was a victory for the laughingly named Guardians of Peace, because they got what they wanted. But, IMO, Sony had no choice. It's a company, not a government. It can't fight or defend against attacks. Plus, the theatre chains pulled out first.
Say the movie had been released, and an act of terror occurred at a movie theatre. Sony would be sued into bankruptcy. Not that someone who willingly went to see The Interview would win, but just defending the deluge of lawsuits would be prohibitively expensive. Then there would be the people who went to see another movie at the same theatre, or the employees of the theatre chain -- and all those people (or their families) would have a decent legal chance of winning against Sony and the theatres.
Everybody goes broke.
I don't know if Sony will release the movie at all. Video on Demand seems like a good alternative, and would probably get viewers who hadn't even planned to see the movie, but I can see two possibilities behind not releasing it, ever. (1) There may be some insurance policy that covers this sort of incident, which would be voided if there were any type of distribution; and (2) the movie isn't very good -- which is a distinct possibility -- and Sony doesn't get panned for another clunker, while The Interview journeys off into movie legend and lore, without ever being seen.
Well, it was a victory for the laughingly named Guardians of Peace, because they got what they wanted. But, IMO, Sony had no choice. It's a company, not a government. It can't fight or defend against attacks. Plus, the theatre chains pulled out first.
Say the movie had been released, and an act of terror occurred at a movie theatre. Sony would be sued into bankruptcy. Not that someone who willingly went to see The Interview would win, but just defending the deluge of lawsuits would be prohibitively expensive. Then there would be the people who went to see another movie at the same theatre, or the employees of the theatre chain -- and all those people (or their families) would have a decent legal chance of winning against Sony and the theatres.
Everybody goes broke.
I don't know if Sony will release the movie at all. Video on Demand seems like a good alternative, and would probably get viewers who hadn't even planned to see the movie, but I can see two possibilities behind not releasing it, ever. (1) There may be some insurance policy that covers this sort of incident, which would be voided if there were any type of distribution; and (2) the movie isn't very good -- which is a distinct possibility -- and Sony doesn't get panned for another clunker, while The Interview journeys off into movie legend and lore, without ever being seen.
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Wa.y2Old - I agree that Sony couldn't risk a theatrical release of the movie. The risk wasn't worth it. I wish there was some way they could flood the internet with it so everyone could see it for free all over the world, but they probably can't afford it now.
I may be an old fuddy-duddy, but I wonder who thought this was a good idea for a movie in the first place. Politics aside, it sounds kind of juvenile to me. And if they had to do it, why didn't they take a leaf from Chaplain's book when he made "The Dictator"? He made fun of Hitler without specifically naming him. I guess it just shows the difference between movie making then and now. Back then they were grown-ups. Too often today they're just overgrown adolescents with too much money and too little supervision.
I may be an old fuddy-duddy, but I wonder who thought this was a good idea for a movie in the first place. Politics aside, it sounds kind of juvenile to me. And if they had to do it, why didn't they take a leaf from Chaplain's book when he made "The Dictator"? He made fun of Hitler without specifically naming him. I guess it just shows the difference between movie making then and now. Back then they were grown-ups. Too often today they're just overgrown adolescents with too much money and too little supervision.
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Yeah, I'm not a Rogen or Franco fan, and Evan Goldberg's involvement didn't give a lot of hope that this would be a comedy gem. Nuanced artists, they're not. They pretty much go for the low-hanging fruit. I don't think it would even occur to them to reach for anything like The Dictator. Even a suggested change like, um, not specifically naming North Korea or Kim Jong-un, was nixed by Rogen (who is credited with directing and producing, as well as with 'story' on this).
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Have they made so much money for Sony that no one dared tell them this movie was a stupid idea? Doesn't anyone have the power (or brains) to say no to these guys? The few reviews I've seen haven't been very good. Not surprising considering the basic concept is moronic. Why would they green-light it?
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The production team on The Interview reads like the graduation list from the Judd Apatow Comedy Academy, and their collective works have made Sony a pile of cash. Their films epitomize the "funny is money" adage. Not everybody likes to be scared, or learn history, or watch people shoot each other, but everybody wants to laugh. And comedies don't cost a lot of money, until the stars can demand the huge salaries to be in them. Studios don't have to recoup half a billion dollars to turn a big profit on them. And even bad comedies do well in on-demand/streaming/DVD.
So, yes, I think there was an element of concession to bad ideas because the people involved provide a guaranteed income stream to the company. It's the business part of show business. George said the Pascal truly "loves cinema." I have no reason to doubt that. But this is part of what she has to do as a studio head; movies like this so other artists can make "cinema."
So, yes, I think there was an element of concession to bad ideas because the people involved provide a guaranteed income stream to the company. It's the business part of show business. George said the Pascal truly "loves cinema." I have no reason to doubt that. But this is part of what she has to do as a studio head; movies like this so other artists can make "cinema."
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Way2Old - I understand, but how are these guys ever going to grow up if nobody ever says "No, this isn't funny - it's sophomoric and stupid"? Do they really think their stuff is good? Don't they want to make better movies? (Not "art" films, but smart, funny comedies?) I know this stuff sells, but sheesh!, I wouldn't want this kind of stuff to be my legacy if I was in the business.
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The thing is, if enough people pay money to see these movies, a case can be made that they are funny. And these guys aren't in the business to grow up. They genuinely think they are the funniest people around, and they have the following and the incomes to back that up. Why would they change?
And it's not the studios' job to grow them up. It's their job to make as much money as they can off them.
If audiences suddenly decided they'd had enough sophomoric comedy, Sony would get out of the Grown Ups and Paul Blart, Mall Cop business. But those movies make money, and allow Sony to finance the kinds of movies that filmmakers like George make.
I firmly believe that it is going to take women like Sandra Bullock, Angelina Jolie, Reese Witherspoon, and Drew Barrymore -- that's not a complete list, but you get the idea -- to start demanding that more writing and directing work go to women for any of this to change at the studios. Or that male filmmakers like George Clooney expand their creative and above-the-line crew circles to include more women. Until then, funny women will be relegated to limited-release independent comedies that don't find an audience until a year later when they get to Netflix, and we'll keep getting the same shit from the same men at the theatres.
And it's not the studios' job to grow them up. It's their job to make as much money as they can off them.
If audiences suddenly decided they'd had enough sophomoric comedy, Sony would get out of the Grown Ups and Paul Blart, Mall Cop business. But those movies make money, and allow Sony to finance the kinds of movies that filmmakers like George make.
I firmly believe that it is going to take women like Sandra Bullock, Angelina Jolie, Reese Witherspoon, and Drew Barrymore -- that's not a complete list, but you get the idea -- to start demanding that more writing and directing work go to women for any of this to change at the studios. Or that male filmmakers like George Clooney expand their creative and above-the-line crew circles to include more women. Until then, funny women will be relegated to limited-release independent comedies that don't find an audience until a year later when they get to Netflix, and we'll keep getting the same shit from the same men at the theatres.
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I don't like the "Apatow School" of films. Too stoner and base for my taste. No clevernes involved. But I can't say it's not funny-- apparently it is to a lot of people (be interesting to see the age and gender demographics!) and they will pay to see it. It is just not my taste in humor.
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Those movies are targeted at a young male audience, which the marketers and numbers crunchers will tell you is the biggest paying audience for theatrical releases. They haven't figured out yet that there's a reason that Tyler Perry movies and fare like The Most Exotic Marigold Hotel outperform the dreck in Return on Investment: there are underserved audiences who will go to movies made with them in mind.
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Maybe part of the problem is that they're aiming for a worldwide market, not just domestic. They can't really use culturally specific references or nuanced dialog because a 12 year old in Asia or Europe will have to work too hard to get it - and probably won't go to the movie. And they don't believe intelligent adults make up enough of an audience to make them a profit.
I used to think these movies had taken the place of the old B-movies from the old studio system, but even those "mediocre" movies look like Oscar material compared to this junk.
I used to think these movies had taken the place of the old B-movies from the old studio system, but even those "mediocre" movies look like Oscar material compared to this junk.
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Action, fantasy & sci-fi, animated, and (to a lesser extent) horror and adult period drama travel well internationally. Comedy doesn't; as you said, it's too culture specific. Not that it doesn't sell at all overseas, but the domestic box office has to hit the mark for a comedy to succeed because the international market won't make up the slack like in other genres.
That said, financing deals may require that distribution rights be sold for international markets for these comedies, because if there's an audience with money anywhere, the money people want it. Nothing gets left on the table. Some films and/or their marketing packages get altered for certain markets (12 Years a Slave being a recent example, where Brad Pitt was pushed as the star on the promotions in some European markets), so I don't know why The Interview was so fucking precious that it couldn't be touched. From what I understand, in the movie, the Kim J-u character gets killed in a particularly tasteless fashion, and Rogen nixed any suggestions to change it.
That said, financing deals may require that distribution rights be sold for international markets for these comedies, because if there's an audience with money anywhere, the money people want it. Nothing gets left on the table. Some films and/or their marketing packages get altered for certain markets (12 Years a Slave being a recent example, where Brad Pitt was pushed as the star on the promotions in some European markets), so I don't know why The Interview was so fucking precious that it couldn't be touched. From what I understand, in the movie, the Kim J-u character gets killed in a particularly tasteless fashion, and Rogen nixed any suggestions to change it.
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That's why I asked about their profit margin. I didn't think this bunch had that much clout.
Just curious, but what happens if a studio thinks a film is turning into a real stinker (pre-release)? Is there anything they can do? What kind of leverage do they have to get it turned around?
Just curious, but what happens if a studio thinks a film is turning into a real stinker (pre-release)? Is there anything they can do? What kind of leverage do they have to get it turned around?
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LizzyNY wrote:That's why I asked about their profit margin. I didn't think this bunch had that much clout.
Just curious, but what happens if a studio thinks a film is turning into a real stinker (pre-release)? Is there anything they can do? What kind of leverage do they have to get it turned around?
Well, it depends on how much control (by contract) they have over the producing team and the director, and who has final cut. If a studio can't force the director to make changes, then they have to live with what they get -- the director's 'vision.'
I don't think much is a surprise to the studio or the production team by the time a movie hits the screens, but sometimes, you just don't know how an audience is going to receive something. It may be good, but for some reason just doesn't resonate. Or, everybody misjudges; they think it's a winner, but it sucks.
I don't know about this one. They obviously had high hopes for it, and they let Rogen have the last word. So it may be good. But I doubt it. My feeling is it's a get-the-college-kids-while-they're-home-for-the-holidays comedy. Big market.
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I think a lot of people are missing the fact that when the bomb threats were made a lot of the theaters pulled out because they didn't want to take the risk that the threat could be real. Then Sony decided to pull the movie altogether.
It's easy to say they should have stood up for free speech and shown the movie anyway, but imagine the outcry if they did and the threats turned out to be real. People would be screaming about how irresponsible they were to put their audiences in danger.
I never thought I'd feel sorry for a big corporation, but I wouldn't wish Sony's situation on my worst enemy.
It's easy to say they should have stood up for free speech and shown the movie anyway, but imagine the outcry if they did and the threats turned out to be real. People would be screaming about how irresponsible they were to put their audiences in danger.
I never thought I'd feel sorry for a big corporation, but I wouldn't wish Sony's situation on my worst enemy.
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I have no pity, as far as this movie is concerned. The script was originally written with a fake country and fake dictator. Rogen and Sony insisted it be changed to identify North Korea and Kim Jong-Un, intentionally targeting a living dictator who is a documented lunatic known for his erratic behavior. Rogen and Franco thought they were being soooo clever and provocative; this is what they get. I don't blame theaters for dropping it and I don't blame Sony for pulling the film entirely. But they shouldn't have made this film this way in the first place, and now they've created a situation in which terrorists have won. Great work, Amy Pascal! Ugh.
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LizzyNY wrote:I think a lot of people are missing the fact that when the bomb threats were made a lot of the theaters pulled out because they didn't want to take the risk that the threat could be real. Then Sony decided to pull the movie altogether.
It's easy to say they should have stood up for free speech and shown the movie anyway, but imagine the outcry if they did and the threats turned out to be real. People would be screaming about how irresponsible they were to put their audiences in danger.
I never thought I'd feel sorry for a big corporation, but I wouldn't wish Sony's situation on my worst enemy.
There was speculation on one of the news shows that Sony was also getting a lot of pressure from the other Hollywood studios--Disney, etc.-- to pull the movie. We live in a world of multi-plexes and if people stayed away from the theatre over the big holiday movie season it would hurt the whole movie industry.
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Missa wrote:I have no pity, as far as this movie is concerned. The script was originally written with a fake country and fake dictator. Rogen and Sony insisted it be changed to identify North Korea and Kim Jong-Un, intentionally targeting a living dictator who is a documented lunatic known for his erratic behavior. Rogen and Franco thought they were being soooo clever and provocative; this is what they get. I don't blame theaters for dropping it and I don't blame Sony for pulling the film entirely. But they shouldn't have made this film this way in the first place, and now they've created a situation in which terrorists have won. Great work, Amy Pascal! Ugh.
Well if this is true then they let some Hollywood egos dictate the path of the film.
Guess is serves them right.
Don't know why suddenly everyone has a bug up their ass about North Korea. Nobody gave a damn before. People there have been suffering for decades.
Not enough food for the masses, people brainwashed into thinking they're still in a war with everyone else in the world, blaming everyone else except the nutcase family in charge for their lack of adequate food / services, only the ruling party getting any perks, enough food, proper housing, heating, electricity, yada yada yada.
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Amen!Missa wrote:I have no pity, as far as this movie is concerned. The script was originally written with a fake country and fake dictator. Rogen and Sony insisted it be changed to identify North Korea and Kim Jong-Un, intentionally targeting a living dictator who is a documented lunatic known for his erratic behavior. Rogen and Franco thought they were being soooo clever and provocative; this is what they get. I don't blame theaters for dropping it and I don't blame Sony for pulling the film entirely. But they shouldn't have made this film this way in the first place, and now they've created a situation in which terrorists have won. Great work, Amy Pascal! Ugh.
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George tried to get Hollywood to support Sony. There is a link to the full interview on Deadline.com on the bottom of The Huffington Post page. It has also been posted on IMDb. Sorry can't copy and paste from the cell.
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There is already a thread here about this Silje.
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Just heard on the NPR station that Sony has decided to show The Interview in limited release starting Christmas Day. President Obama even commented by congratulating Sony for making the decision.
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Got back from shopping with a friend and her hubby says, "Sony's decided to release The Interview and we've got tickets to see it on Christmas day."
Now this guy is not the type who would even be interested in seeing a movie like this but he said that he wants to be there to make a "statement" that he and his family are not going to be threatened or intimidated by any other country/hackers whomever.
He said they probably wouldn't stay for the entire film if it gets "too raunchy" as he put it, but he'll be there at the start to make sure people see people going to the film.
Now this guy is not the type who would even be interested in seeing a movie like this but he said that he wants to be there to make a "statement" that he and his family are not going to be threatened or intimidated by any other country/hackers whomever.
He said they probably wouldn't stay for the entire film if it gets "too raunchy" as he put it, but he'll be there at the start to make sure people see people going to the film.
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Here's the thing: this is a film that I'd never in a million years go and see, but now, if it were coming to a cinema near me I'd make the effort to see it just to make a point.
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Like First World War, I remember teacher saying the Generals talk, the ppl were "canon fodders"
General Clooney he won't be in line for cinema on Christmas Day, which would to be master PR.
He's in Cabo.
General Clooney he won't be in line for cinema on Christmas Day, which would to be master PR.
He's in Cabo.
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LornaDoone wrote:Got back from shopping with a friend and her hubby says, "Sony's decided to release The Interview and we've got tickets to see it on Christmas day."
Now this guy is not the type who would even be interested in seeing a movie like this but he said that he wants to be there to make a "statement" that he and his family are not going to be threatened or intimidated by any other country/hackers whomever.
He said they probably wouldn't stay for the entire film if it gets "too raunchy" as he put it, but he'll be there at the start to make sure people see people going to the film.
Katiedot wrote:Here's the thing: this is a film that I'd never in a million years go and see, but now, if it were coming to a cinema near me I'd make the effort to see it just to make a point.
It is the best promotion ever for this movie. If this movie will be successfull then because of the political issue and not the movie itself. Wonder how the actors feel about it. Well at least money is coming in.
However, I will not watch the movie. Not to make a point just because I would never have watched in the first place.
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Nixky80 I too have no intention on seeing this movie either. Never had any interest in it in the first place so why would I now? But there will be many more people turning out to see this film simply because of all the publicity. It will probably end up doing very well at the box office. Take that North Korea
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I'd like to see him hop a private plane and go see the film AT a cinema just to make the "fuck you North Korea" statement too.Alisonfan wrote:Like First World War, I remember teacher saying the Generals talk, the ppl were "canon fodders"
General Clooney he won't be in line for cinema on Christmas Day, which would to be master PR.
He's in Cabo.
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Nicky80 wrote:LornaDoone wrote:Got back from shopping with a friend and her hubby says, "Sony's decided to release The Interview and we've got tickets to see it on Christmas day."
Now this guy is not the type who would even be interested in seeing a movie like this but he said that he wants to be there to make a "statement" that he and his family are not going to be threatened or intimidated by any other country/hackers whomever.
He said they probably wouldn't stay for the entire film if it gets "too raunchy" as he put it, but he'll be there at the start to make sure people see people going to the film.Katiedot wrote:Here's the thing: this is a film that I'd never in a million years go and see, but now, if it were coming to a cinema near me I'd make the effort to see it just to make a point.
It is the best promotion ever for this movie. If this movie will be successfull then because of the political issue and not the movie itself. Wonder how the actors feel about it. Well at least money is coming in.
However, I will not watch the movie. Not to make a point just because I would never have watched in the first place.
How the actors probably feel? Probably saying to themselves, "Ah hell, if we knew so many people were going to actually see the film, maybe we should have made a better one!" brahahahaha
Think about it - this film was going to be seen by maybe a bunch of teenage boys. Now all adult ages are going to see it. If it's as bad a film as the critics are saying then they might end up being embarrassed! Then again, it's Seth Rogan, I doubt he even knows how to spell the word!
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CNN is reporting that The Interview will be available starting today via YouTube, Google Play, the Microsoft Xbox video game console and a special website.
The movie will cost $5.99 to rent and $14.99 to buy. It's available at 1:00pm.
The movie will cost $5.99 to rent and $14.99 to buy. It's available at 1:00pm.
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Does anyone else have problems getting on the Board? I can get on this thread and a few others but the rest of the Board I can't access. Has been going on since last night.
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I'm fine. However, whenever we have "droppies" for holidays, the forum seems to slow down. Don't get me wrong, I like the droppies, but it does slow down loading.
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Donnamarie wrote:CNN is reporting that The Interview will be available starting today via YouTube, Google Play, the Microsoft Xbox video game console and a special website.
The movie will cost $5.99 to rent and $14.99 to buy. It's available at 1:00pm.
I also heard in the Radio that only around 200 movie theatres in the US were showing this film. Wonder why not all theatres?
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They went with the smaller independent and for the most part non-multiplex theaters.
Probably to avoid issues with other studios fearing for violence whilst their films were being shown during the run for this film.
One positive is that the smaller theaters often don't get new films until after they first run in larger movie theaters. This will be good business for those theaters and will probably help their bottom line.
Probably to avoid issues with other studios fearing for violence whilst their films were being shown during the run for this film.
One positive is that the smaller theaters often don't get new films until after they first run in larger movie theaters. This will be good business for those theaters and will probably help their bottom line.
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