Reasons I don't think George dating Betty is a fake PR thing

I know I posted this in IMDb a while back, but want to continue the discussion here. I've also added a poll for those too shy to join in the conversation.

Reasons I don't think George dating Betty is a fake PR thing:

1. George doesn't need the publicity.

2. Betty isn't bringing him much publicity.

3. The little publicity the relationship is bringing him is bad.

4. His team knew from his relationship with Sarah Larson that a fake relationship will damage him, not help him.

5. If he had a fake girlfriend, he would have picked someone who would make him look good and had a reputable background. Someone his fans could like. Someone who made him look good.

6. If this was a fake relationship for PR reasons, he would have made an effort to look happy.

Fact is, George Clooney hasn't been in a meaningful relationship in over 10 years. Not because he can't (unless he has a massive personality disorder) but IMO because he doesn't want to. He's happy with meaningless flings with meaningless bimbos.

George has dated at least two porn stars, regularly visited strip clubs, has had flings/one night stands with strippers and girls more than young enough to be his daughter - this is all documented. He's a bit of a sleaze, let's face it.

And if gossip and rumours are to be believed, he's dated possibly two prostitutes, the current one who allegedly has a major cocaine habit too. That's consistent behaviour from a man who has demonstrated for well over a decade a taste for the sleaze.

Sadly, some fans can't deal with this perceived flaw in their hero's character and therefore invent increasinlgy convoluted stories to justify his behaviour.

IMO there's absolutely no logical reason to think this is a PR stunt and many reasons that show he's perfectly happy to settle for someone who meets his low requirements.

Fact is, George Clooney hasn't been in a meaningful relationship in over 10 years. Not because he can't (unless he has a massive personality disorder) but IMO because he doesn't want to. He's happy with meaningless flings with meaningless bimbos.

I completely agree with this statement and most of what you said Katie.

Personally I think it's a combination of the two...for PR AND he's a slut, let's be honest and face it!

Wanted to add that if he had ALL the PR he needed (which he did when he was younger and attractive to more women than he is as a geezer) we would NEVER see his HoHoHo's...just saying! He was pretty good at keeping it a secret when he was younger, wasn't he? He DOES need some attention and he doesn't get the same volume of attention as some of the younger ones coming up to replace him as KING...

LOL! Now tell us what you really think, Lighter!

It is what it is! HoHoHo!

I agree this is a "real" relationship, as close to real as George wants it. We only know what is reported about EC, and her career choices, to form an opinion. Maybe she's much more than a wannan be no real talent,fame whore,that she seems to be.But if George wanted to be in a serious relationship with a woman who had some real depth, he would be. He likes em like SL, Lucy, EC.Although I think his dating strippers has ended, out of fear he will be found out, and it makes him look like a dirty old man,hence EC!!!

Oh Katiedot. I think you're right, but it makes me feel bad. Why would he be like that? He's so close to his family, for one thing. What must they think?

Also, what does that mean about his attitude toward women in general? Have you seen this on Celebitchy:

"I know a lot of people think George Clooney is totally gay. I get it, and I understand the case being made. Here’s the thing - I don’t agree. I’m pretty sure George is just a guy who likes his women dumb, young, lacking in ambition, beautiful, built and kinky. I don’t think George will ever look at a woman and see a partner, an equal, a friend. He will only see a broad who is or is not kinky, who is or is not worth his seduction time and effort."

I would almost prefer to believe he's gay and has been in a relationship with Waldo for over 20 years. -- piggie

I believe he likes his woman ultra feminine,sexy,comfortable with there bodies,and needing a mentor.

That's a nice way putting it!

I'd go for: has to have a hot body and do as she's told.

Katiedot, I'am trying to work on my tack-ful skills here!

and ALL of the above. what more can I say?

When you guys say 'feminine,' what do you mean? I ask, because, for me, the characteristic of feminine entails mystery, and yet, none of George's women are mysterious at all. Do you mean feminine, as in, ready to take their clothes off? LOL.

Katiedot, why are you so adamant? Does it really matter

I agree, Casey. I tend to think that he's kind of old-fashioned, and wouldn't approve of tattoos (like Betty's) and crotch pics (like Sarah's). And yet...

LOVE your avatar PigLove!!!!!

I’m in agreement with Katiedot and Lighterside, George hasn’t had a meaningful relationship in years, because he doesn’t want one. He has exactly what he wants, which is why he is with this type of woman. Does it say much of what he thinks of woman, no, but I am sure he knows what type he is dating. I would bet he has seen the worst side of woman and what they will do for notoriety.
Some of it is for publicity, ego wise, he wants all the men to be envious (dating a younger, sexy woman-leaving nothing to the imagination) and he wants all the other woman to think they can save him or he needs saving?

Snoopy, I think that you summed it up perfectly. He knows this type of woman is disposable - she's using him too for what she wants. They both fulfill their own needs and then will go on their merry ways. But, what a way to be. I guess I still believe in love and fidelity and romance, etc. and I don't understand how people can just use other people. I'm not a movie star, or even a wannabe, but I still care what people think about me. However, not to the point that I would use somebody for appearances. I wonder if Nick and Nina are embarrassed about his "show", or if after all these years, they just accept the fact that it is what it is?

I think,Nick, and Nina, must be so proud of him for all his accomplishments, that they ignore his choice in women.To the poster who ask, what does feminine mean to you? Good question! For me it has a lot of definitions, But when paring the word with GC's, GF's, I realize my definition is different than the feminine women in my life, his would be someone who wears clothing too tight, short, or low cut all the time!!! Talks in a breathless, little girl, pouting voice," please daddy, don't spank me! just give me a treat!

I agree with Katie and Lighter. George chooses these girls cause he already knows he isn't going to fall madly in love with them and they will come at his beck and call. They get Pr and attention etc and George gets a date for awhile. Eli has gone the same way as all the others George hasn't done anything really differant with her except she has lasted longer. Which I think in part is due to the jokes going around about him having a new girl every awards season so he decided to keep her around for longer. By summer he will have a new girl and it will start all over again. I'm sure in the beginning he likes them but I just don't see anything between him and eli especially the last few months they have barely been together. I do think she may show up in Cabos then the split. George has a script he just added a few more pages to this one.

I just wish he would "write" a different story. As someone mentioned somewhere, we'll pick apart anyone he is with, but it won't be as easy with a nice woman. Notice I said woman and NOT girl?

purgatoire wrote:Katiedot, why are you so adamant? Does it really matter

I don't mean to be adamant! It's just that I've read so many people claiming that this is only a fake PR relationship and I couldn't for the life of me figure in what universe that sort of reasoning made sense.

As you can see from the poll above, three posters here think it's entirely fake and I wish one of them would then explain my points in my first post.

I totally agree Pr thing doesn't make much sense, maybe I don't want to believe George is that Hollyweird, or others just can't except that's his choice of someone he wants in his life.

In the very beginning I just figured he REALLY wanted to date an Italian woman, though I was a little surprised about her background that he would pick her. However, the way she acted on the Red Carpet when in London for Mr. Fox and Goats (I think) and even Rome, I was surprised he stayed with her. IMHO, I thought she made a fool of him. Then I thought she must have apologized to him, but then at the Golden Globes and other Red Carpets she was just as foolish and he looked foolish.

Sometimes I think he makes promises - this red carpet or this film fest - and because he's "a gentleman" wants to keep his promises. Who knows!

I feel the last few months the "public" appearances was/is because George didn't want any gossip site or fans to say "I told you so" and that's why she's still around. If he REALLY, REALLY likes being with her, I would be shocked because he never looks happy. BTW, I voted for #3.

I've posted elsewhere that I thought she will be with him one more time. I think George has his own timetable for whatever reasons.

I don't know when the "one more time" might be, except maybe in Cabo over the holidays (countdown!!!). He won't have any red carpets as the American hasn't been nominated for anything, so far. Then he'll be filming, and it sounds like that might be back to back - Ides and then with Sandra. Maybe Sandra will show him what a real, proper woman should be like...

melbert wrote: I guess I still believe in love and fidelity and romance, etc. and I don't understand how people can just use other people. I'm not a movie star, or even a wannabe, but I still care what people think about me.

I agree Melbert, I am the same way. I often wonder if George was burned in the past and is cynical? How many women would not have anything to do with him before he reached A list? I think cynicism is a defense mechanism for self preservation, a way to protect what little you have left.

Guess I screwed the quote Obviously a long day!

Hey but I figured out how to fix it - still computer illiterate but learning.

You're right Snoopy. But, how many women REALLY want to have anything to do with him now with his recent history? I know lots go googoo when his name is mentioned, but in reality, knowing what most of think we know, would anybody of a reputable status want to be his girlfriend? Don't get me wrong, I still <3 him ALOT.

LOL It's okay on the quotes. I still don't know how to do them!!

Snoopy wrote: I often wonder if George was burned in the past and is cynical? How many women would not have anything to do with him before he reached A list?

I think it's the opposite. I think he learned at an early age how easy women were - remember that he was the son of a famous TV presenter, as well as athletic and on all the school sports teams, then the nephew of Rosemary Clooney. Not to mention charming and funny.

I think he's never really struggled with getting women and attention and therefore doesn't really value it. Then on top of that since he became famous, it's been easy come, easy go and with women who were really only interested in him for his fame and money.

I'm late on this but think you're right Katie. It makes no sense this is a PR relationship, just as you say. I think you're right he deliberately looks for disposable relationships, and there are so many available. I don't think his reputation is nearly as bad as people seem to think. You look at sites like the Daily Beast and HuffPo and he's a hero, the thinking woman's movie star. I think there are millions of smart women who would jump at the chance, but he isn't interested.

It's a shame his taste in women, but there you are. I think this one is different, though, as far as disposibility. He spends a lot more time with her and most particularly her family. There's no way Eli can be demanding this and it's not part of his utterly selfish MO when it comes to women. We'll see.

Bringing this thread back up. I'm seeing a few people saying that they believe George'n'Betty is just a fake PR romance, so I thought this might be an interesting conversation to revive.

What I would honestly like is someone who thinks this is a fake romance to respond to my original points and explain why they don't agree because I'm really having a hard time understanding.

Slightly off topic...but does anyone remember the weird/horrible story from one of the sites about 8 years ago and the poster was married, her brother in law knew George and introduced them and George was obsessed with her because she looked like Nina and he had an 'arrangement' with her husband and they started 'dating' and at first it was wonderful....but then he became mean and when she wanted to stop seeing him threats were made if she ever told anyone ..........(apart from all of us on the fan site LOL)....

When I first read that I was totally shocked now. ..sadly...it wouldn't surprise me if there was some truth in it....

wow merlin, please tell me where to read that?

Sorry lolo - it was removed by the site owner at the time because as you might imagine it caused some 'uproar'....

Maybe it was fake George LOL...

Yes I remember the story put in the Clooney fantasy drawer. She was scared but not too scared to talk about it on a message board! I think this is Georges usual relationship the PR angle is involved and so is the disposable woman. I don't believe George is deeply in love with Eli and she has made him into a happier man. I see the same old George although in a pretty bad mood alot of the time they are together. He doesn't put her first which is the norm for her but I think this one is smart and she has used the media way better then any of the others. she has been on this merry go around before so she knows what gets the press interested. Now with the recent I don't want marriage/babies with George and the times apart getting longer then I see it very much on the down hill slope. Same thing happened with Lisa (twice) and Sarah and Krista......Krista and Lisa didn't get alot of time on the red carpet actually Krista never got to walk down it with george and Lisa only managed it the second time around. We are getting more infor etc about Eli because her team are happy to use the press no other Clooney girl has had their PR do an interview or played the ring game as much. Although Lisa was the original with the ring game I guess Eli has done some research!

Thought I would play devil’s advocate. Personally I don’t care. It;s just gotten so tedious. They just continually look miserable around each other and my only thought is life is too short to be spending time with people that seem to be so high maintenance (Clooney) and don’t seem to bring any joy or light into your life or simply are happy to be with you (Canalis).

1. George doesn't need the publicity.
Sure he does. Everyone in his industry does and with George refusing to do interviews or have / attend premieres for the films, his very public private life is the only tool that he has to keep attention coming his way and by virtue of that attention, have the press mention / promote his films. In between Larson and Canalis, how often was he papped and in the magazines and blogged about? Not much at all. The odd piece here and there but not the every week coverage by the paps as they do when he is dating someone. When he is ‘dating’ someone, the coverage is almost continuous which in turn gives the press the opportunity to write about him and also mention whatever the new project is that is coming out. Larson was on the job in the lead up to and for the release of Clayton and Leatherheads. She was there during award season so they would get extra coverage on the red carpet. Then they split and shockingly George didn’t have anything else come out where he was the lead for over a year. Then on the eve of the release of Goats & Air, his private life all of a sudden becomes active and very public with multiple pap coverage of dates and then walking red carpets together and the press writing multiple articles of ‘could this be the girl to tame the confirmed bachelor?’ ‘Will he wed this time?’ ‘Could he finally settle down”.
It just plays into Brand Clooney as to how he has been sold to the masses. The confirmed bachelor who if given the opportunity by meeting the right woman, could just be loved enough to fix his damage and then they could get on his motorcycle and ride off into the sunset together to live happily ever after. That the love and attention of a good woman who sees past the fame and money might be all he needs to find true happiness and contentment in a loving committed relationship. And when he realises how truly loved he is, he can let down the frat boy mask to committed himself wholly to that love affair. It sells him as desirable yet unattainable but maybe, the right woman could snag him. It is a profile that has been built to be half Danny Ocean, half Doug Ross. And as he has stated, he is famous enough. That level of fame hasn't come solely from his acting performances.

2. Betty isn't bringing him much publicity.
Sure she is. Every time she gets a gig (San Remo, Cavalli, leverage, etc) or poses for the paps in a bikini in Mexico, Cabo or Como, she is getting him publicity as every article calls her ‘George Clooney’s girlfriend’ in the title. She has a profile now and in most articles written about her, they discuss what he is doing professionally at that time. San Remo dance press - George is directing his new film in Cinnanciti. Leverage episodes go to air – George’s new film the American is coming out shortly. Her in a bikini in Hawaii – George filming in Hawaii, isn’t it a shame that he didn’t win the Oscar. Whenever she is written about, George gets publicity. Otherwise without the segue way, what would be the point for the press to be writing about her at all (other than in Italy)?

3. The little publicity the relationship is bringing him is bad.
The old adage - All publicity is good publicity. The fact that he had a date through last year’s award season got him much more coverage than if he had gone stag. Especially after he stopped being the frontrunner for the Oscar. As long as he is being talked about, I doubt he care what they are saying. Because if he gave a damn, he would have commented on Elisabetta rumours from her past (coke/hooker/porn etc) and got the press to stop because at least with print media, he still has that level of pull. In the new world of Justin Bieber and Robert Pattison in the technogical age, the only weapon he has in his arsenal is to have some young attractive wannabe model/actress on his arm. That’s the way he gets coverage. He isn’t doing interviews. He isn’t doing premieres. He isn’t promoting his films internationally. He isn’t on a weekly tv show so that he is in your face week after week. He gets attention through his love life or his humanitarian work. And considering the humanitarian work is about once a year, that isn’t enough buzz to keep him in the spotlight indefinitely. Look at the coverage Brad Pitt gets on his own and then the coverage he gets with Angie. Being in a celeb coupling dramatically increases the media coverage. Even if this case where one celeb is barely known. It still sells better than being single. Especially at George’s age. The only way he is going to get bad press is by imploding a'la Mel or Charlie.

4. His team knew from his relationship with Sarah Larson that a fake relationship will damage him, not help him.
Seriously, did Larson damage him? Sure more people know that he is into the skanky, kinky kind of low rent girls but really, how was he damaged? The media still fawn over him. The general public still buy brand Clooney. People turn up to his films. He can still greenlight a picture. He didn’t lose any endorsements. He is probably at the best point of his career as he is doing more diverse, character driven work than ever more. Clayton, Fox, Air, American, Descendants, Goats. The guy isn’t desperate for a gig. And finally, he is not longer playing the ex-con with a heart of gold in every second film who has just gotten out of jail. He has two films lined up after the current film that he is directing. He hasn’t lost any major ground with the public or the studios who are still very willing to hire him. It doesn’t appear that he has had to start hustling for work yet.

5. If he had a fake girlfriend, he would have picked someone who would make him look good and had a reputable background. Someone his fans could like. Someone who made him look good.
But what reasonable woman would agree to that kind of relationship? The premise of having a fake relationship rules out anyone with a reputable background unless he was gay and he choose a beard that wouldn’t bring him any unwanted attention. And that does not seem to be the point of parading Ely around in front of the paps. But again, what makes anyone think he cares what the fans think of who he sleeps with? The man has been teflon against rumours and fan dissatisfaction for the past decade. Why would he think that had changed? He admits to Newsweek that he has slept with many women. What reasonable woman with her own life and needs wants a 50 year old selfish man who will not compromise anything to accomodate another person in his life? If you don't have an agenda and are seeking a real relationship, why would they want to be with a man who only wants a bedmate but not an equal partner.

6. If this was a fake relationship for PR reasons, he would have made an effort to look happy
From a different perspective: If he was getting royally laid and if Ely was fulfilling all his wildest kinks in and out of the bedroom and he was genuinely happy and in love, you wouldn’t be able to wipe the smile of his face. In those early months where it is all new and loved up, you can’t not be open and joyful when you are with that person who makes you happy. I’m not talking excessive PDA’s but just a comfortableness with that person. Which George and Ely have never seemed to have had. They always seem to be more associates than people in sync and in love. It just doesn’t look like it from the outsider's view. Even if you were aware of being watched all time, there are certain mutual intimacies that become second nature to a couple. They don’t seem to have them. Not even a little bit. And if it is a real relationship, would you really stick around for something so clearly lacking for 18 months? So to flip the question, if they are in a real relationship and are in love, why do they always look miserable and indifferent to each other?

That was good Watching. It made a lot of sense.

I agree, when put that way it does sound reasonable, but I believe that just maybe GC has gotten tried of all the women that are so easy and this is his way of having a relationship"the odd couple" In his own words,"I've ------ to many women"!!!

Thank you, Watching, for saving me about 1/2 hours worth of typing! Just to add, I think George intentionally goes for these types of women, because they do fulfill a "need" and yet he knows he's not going to get attached.
As for the disapproval of his fans...the only place you hear people aren't happy about this, are on boards like this one. Otherwise, I think the public at large doesn't know most of the facts about Canalis. And I don't think George cares. This doesn't really hurt him publicly. In fact, it makes him a hero to many, many boys out there. I think in private conversations with his family, they know the deal, that's why they go along with it. And since when, just because you're close with your family, are you exempt from making stupid or irrational choices? Or choices that maybe they wouldn't have made? He is an adult. Despite the pedestal we put him on, he's technically not royalty, the fate of a nation doesn't depend on his choice in women. He's allowed to pick who he chooses, whether or not anyone, family included, gives a hoot. In fact, that's probably why you do see smiles when they are all together - they know she's not long term.
Couldn't agree more with the publicity. Although, I do question why he puts up with so much garbage with her - it just gets tiring, I'm impressed that he has the stamina to deal with it.
I also wonder if, him sticking with her for this long, has anything (consciously, or subconsciously) to do with his "underdog" theory of dating women - she has taken alot of flack - maybe he feels sorry for her.
I also think, as someone of his fame, that it would be incredibly hard to trust any women that might be interested in me - how do you know if it's really you they're after and not all the "extras"?
And, they aren't spending alot of time together, so it's not like he's getting tired of her. He has his space.
And the "smart" women? He's been exposed to alot of them. I've always questioned why he never dated any of his female costars (besides Krista). I wonder if, when you get to know him, if he's not just a really immature guy. You always hear about his pranks (throwing women into pools or dropping water balloons on them isn't becoming to anyone over 6). So as much as we drool over him, could be that, if we met him, and hung around him for any length of time, we might not be so impressed.

Just to add...I think Eli is a little different then the last. She's a fighter, and she's not gonnal let go of this gravy train until they pry her claws out. So I think that when she gets a feeling that the door might be opening for her exit, she re-groups, and comes up with another strategy. I can definitely see her, down on her knees (ya think?), begging him to just wait a little longer to end things. She's a different breed than SL or Krista.

SL wazzzz boring, Betty is much more fun !

Atalante, did you ever read the board"deadoc" at least I think that's what it was called,anyway was hosted by a ex-school mate of SL,and was very lively.

Euh no I haven't. Maybe she is/was lively in her own small community ? Hey I'm from little old Belgium, so not much SL in our mainstream media, just the fact that she was GC's new girlfriend and that she was picked up in a bar. And I'm not in the habit of reading gossipmagazines.
I only started reading fora when he started dating Canalis, cause she was something else, a pitbull ! Funny !

yes Atalante - she's a pitbull

but do you know what the people are doing with a pitbull which is too aggressive ?

they put down the pitbull

Thanks Watching, and I appreciate your reply. A couple of thoughts from me and then I'm done, promise!

watching wrote: 1. George doesn't need the publicity.
Sure he does. Everyone in his industry does and with George refusing to do interviews or have / attend premieres for the films, his very public private life is the only tool that he has to keep attention coming his way and by virtue of that attention, have the press mention / promote his films.

It was his choice to dial down the coverage by not giving interviews or doing promos for his films. So why would someone who is pretty private suddenly start selling out his private life when he has much better avenues to explore? He's an a-list star and nowadays doesn't need the publicity to get work, unlike most in his profession.

watching wrote: It just plays into Brand Clooney as to how he has been sold to the masses. The confirmed bachelor who if given the opportunity by meeting the right woman, could just be loved enough to fix his damage and then they could get on his motorcycle and ride off into the sunset together to live happily ever after.

Yup, but that could be achieved with any woman.

watching wrote: 2. Betty isn't bringing him much publicity.
Sure she is. Every time she gets a gig (San Remo, Cavalli, leverage, etc) or poses for the paps in a bikini in Mexico, Cabo or Como, she is getting him publicity as every article calls her ‘George Clooney’s girlfriend’ in the title.

That's an example of Geroge Clooney bringing Betty publicity: who'd heard of her before she dated him other than some Italians? It's unlikely that anyone reading coverage of Betty would be learning about George for the first time. He really doesn't need to get his name in front of everyone all the time a la Paris Hilton or the Kardashians.

watching wrote: 3. The little publicity the relationship is bringing him is bad.
The old adage - All publicity is good publicity.

So not true. Viz Charlie Sheen, Mel Gibson. Every time he dates one of these dubious women he loses fans in droves.

watching wrote: 4. His team knew from his relationship with Sarah Larson that a fake relationship will damage him, not help him.
Seriously, did Larson damage him? Sure more people know that he is into the skanky, kinky kind of low rent girls but really, how was he damaged?

Yep, and that's irrepairably damaged his image. He was the carefree batchelor who maybe would be tamed one day and now he's heading into sleazy old man who dates women young enough to be his daughter. The media kiss his arse because he's on the up, they like him and he does good humanitarian and charitable things but you think they aren't laughing at him? And if/when he takes a mis-step in his career they'll be all over him and it won't be pretty.

watching wrote: 5. If he had a fake girlfriend, he would have picked someone who would make him look good and had a reputable background. Someone his fans could like. Someone who made him look good.
But what reasonable woman would agree to that kind of relationship?

Nicole Kidman? Katie Holmes? Seriously, I don't think there's a shortage of decent women who would take on the job. I've briefly pretended to be the girlfriend of a gay flatmate when his parents visited and was happy to help out a friend. That does of course raise the question of why George would need a fake girlfriend . . .

watching wrote: 6. If this was a fake relationship for PR reasons, he would have made an effort to look happy
From a different perspective: If he was getting royally laid and if Ely was fulfilling all his wildest kinks in and out of the bedroom and he was genuinely happy and in love, you wouldn’t be able to wipe the smile of his face.

Who says they're happy and in love? I see two people who are in some sort of a relationship that's not going any further than it already is. He gets a woman to sleep with whenever he wants and when he's bored of her he sends her away.

He looked miserable with Sarah Larson, he looked miserable with Lisa Snowdon too. Are we to conclude these were all contract girlfriends?

Katiedot wrote:

watching wrote: 1. George doesn't need the publicity.
Sure he does. Everyone in his industry does and with George refusing to do interviews or have / attend premieres for the films, his very public private life is the only tool that he has to keep attention coming his way and by virtue of that attention, have the press mention / promote his films.

It was his choice to dial down the coverage by not giving interviews or doing promos for his films. So why would someone who is pretty private suddenly start selling out his private life when he has much better avenues to explore? He's an a-list star and nowadays doesn't need the publicity to get work, unlike most in his profession.

I'm with watching on this one. IMHO, no matter the status level, out of sigh/out of mind with regard to average fans (not posters to blogs/forums/message boards).

Katiedot wrote: It's unlikely that anyone reading coverage of Betty would be learning about George for the first time. He really doesn't need to get his name in front of everyone all the time a la Paris Hilton or the Kardashians.

First sentence - true. Second sentence - sorta (see reason above)

Katiedot wrote:

watching wrote: 3. The little publicity the relationship is bringing him is bad.
The old adage - All publicity is good publicity.

So not true. Viz Charlie Sheen, Mel Gibson. Every time he dates one of these dubious women he loses fans in droves.

I agree with Katiedot.

Katiedot wrote:

watching wrote: 4. His team knew from his relationship with Sarah Larson that a fake relationship will damage him, not help him.
Seriously, did Larson damage him? Sure more people know that he is into the skanky, kinky kind of low rent girls but really, how was he damaged?

Yep, and that's irrepairably damaged his image. He was the carefree batchelor who maybe would be tamed one day and now he's heading into sleazy old man who dates women young enough to be his daughter. The media kiss his arse because he's on the up, they like him and he does good humanitarian and charitable things but you think they aren't laughing at him? And if/when he takes a mis-step in his career they'll be all over him and it won't be pretty.

Was SL a fake relationship? I know he made the comment/joke about a bet, but..... George is a hard one, sometimes to believe what is true or joking around. LOL, I know, I've posted more than once around the net that alot of George's jokes/and even some comments need to be read between the lines.

I agree with Katie - I think SL was the beginning of "damage control" and, IMHO, continues with EC.

Katiedot wrote:

watching wrote: 5. If he had a fake girlfriend, he would have picked someone who would make him look good and had a reputable background. Someone his fans could like. Someone who made him look good.
But what reasonable woman would agree to that kind of relationship?

Nicole Kidman? Katie Holmes? Seriously, I don't think there's a shortage of decent women who would take on the job. I've briefly pretended to be the girlfriend of a gay flatmate when his parents visited and was happy to help out a friend. That does of course raise the question of why George would need a fake girlfriend . . .

I've posted many times around the net that I think it was a real relationship in the beginning. In a way, I still think it is; however, IMHO, he doesn't appear happy so why he's still with her only George knows.

Katiedot wrote:He gets a woman to sleep with whenever he wants and when he's bored of her he sends her away.

And, keeps at a distance when "she" would be considered (by fans) in the way - and maybe even by him. I.E. his trip to Washington, DC. On the one hand, he was there for business. Most partners don't usually go on business trips with their partners. On the other hand, since she's been to America before and must know decent English to get around, she could have done sightseeing on her own. Hotels always have package tours. Or hired a private driver/tour.

Katiedot wrote:
He looked miserable with Sarah Larson, he looked miserable with Lisa Snowdon too. Are we to conclude these were all contract girlfriends?

IMHO, the "miserable" was usually towards the end or if/when they had an arguement.

Well it's been downhill for awhile cause they have both looked miserable for a very long time. Thanks for that Watching great post said everything I've been thinking. Whatever reason he does it only he knows! And I agree Eli is a pitbull and she ain't letting go till she draws blood. I think he didn't really know what he was getting into with her but now he sure does. LOL

Dexterdidit wrote:I think he didn't really know what he was getting into with her but now he sure does. LOL

IF the above is true and IF he's been wanting to break it off, it COULD explain why he's dragging it out.

OR!!!!!!!!!! He knew exactly what her and Val's PR pieces were all about, he was/is perfectly happy with it and he just normally looks miserable with GFs. OOPS!!! Did I just start an old rumor again.

I think George may be into serial monogamy.

Dates a girl a few years, then decides in a moment he is done. He does not care if they do not get along with friends and family. He does not expect them to be there long term.

But at the end of the day, she is still around because he wants her there. He is a 50 year old man - he can break up with a woman if he so desired. She is still on the scene between he wants her there. Her talking to the press makes it easy for him to stay in the public eye without having to do anything. Maybe she makes it easier than any of those before - he gets these blocks of time alone (6-8 week periods) to focus on his stuff then has a couple of days with her then she goes away from another 6-8 weeks For a guy who doesn't want commitment, this is a pretty good arrangement. And it keeps the press from writing the lonely old man stories wandering around his big house all alone whose friends are all too busy to hang with him as they have responsibilities to their families. He knows he is on the Jack Nicholson track (older single man in Hollywood without a significant other who use to be a player until he got too old for it) so he has that example as to how to navigate being that age and single in the public eye when he use to be a lothario. George is smart enough to know not to turn up to the Playboy mansion and think it will look cute.

Re my publicity comment earlier- if he were to implode, yes the publicity would be bad but I was commenting on the publicity he has gotten from this and the previous relationship. Even when people are negative of the relationship or the woman that he is with, he still comes out llooking like a saint becuase some people are invested in him from back in the ER days and believe that he deserves better than the women HE chooses to spend his time with. He is still relatively golden in the years of the press and the public. Women still want a shot at him, men want to be him and all the benefits that come with his lifestyle. The publicity from these types of relationships hasn't injured his career. All he is doing is dating golddiggers. He isn't attacking them in hotel rooms like Sheen. He isn't marrying them like Grammer. He isn’t making sex tapes. Or being papped doing coke at 4am in a club in the seedy side of town whilst hanging out with porn stars. People aren't washing their hands of him. He is still in the good graces - maybe due to the high profile humanitarian work. He isn't going around beating women. He isn't making racist comments. He isn't getting picked up on DUI's. He isn't drugged out of his head in public. He isn't offending people left, right and centre. He didn't join a cult then try to recruit everyone. So any publicity that comes from him being in a relationship is going to be prominently positive about him and in his favour. The press directly about the woman - not so much. But as we have seen over the years, there is very little, if any, blowback on George's reputation or standing no matter what is said about the woman he is sleeping with. The only times some press go after him is when it relates to politics.

He may be an ego driven, insecure frat boy but that isn't hurting him at the moment. It hasn't reached the point, in the eyes of the adoring public, of living a life that is simply sad, unfulfilling and lonely. Yet.

Thanks Watching, I appreciate your posts.

"Katiedot wrote:

watching wrote:
5. If he had a fake girlfriend, he would have picked someone who would make him look good and had a reputable background. Someone his fans could like. Someone who made him look good.
But what reasonable woman would agree to that kind of relationship?

Nicole Kidman? Katie Holmes? Seriously, I don't think there's a shortage of decent women who would take on the job. I've briefly pretended to be the girlfriend of a gay flatmate when his parents visited and was happy to help out a friend. That does of course raise the question of why George would need a fake girlfriend . . ."
Katie Holmes, maybe, but I don't think Nicole would play girlfriend to anybody unless it was a real relationship, imo. Which again brings up the point - why can't George get a smart woman? Or why doesn't he want a smart woman? I remember a comment by Julia Roberts when she was asked about her costars. For Brad she was gushing, saying she "loved her some Brad Pitt". For George, she said, "he's like a brother". Why is that? I wonder if he's just really immature, and the more you get to know him, the less attractive he is.
And I'm with Watching on the publicity thing. The publicity he's getting through these girls isn't harmful to anyone, not in the same category as the Mel Gibson, Charlie Sheen shows.